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#101 2019-02-23 06:39:04

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

New In Buster a Debian Wiki page that will probably get added to over the coming weeks...


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#102 2019-02-24 01:30:52

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

New In Buster a Debian Wiki page that will probably get added to over the coming weeks...

Gotta love the humor in that wiki page. Who says Debian devs have no humor???


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#103 2019-02-24 03:10:17

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Not news really, but reference about Debian's Long Term Support programme. Jessie's good for another year, Stretch till 2022: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS


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#104 2019-03-25 02:55:07

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Of course BL uses the Debian default systemd, but those who'd rather use alternative inits might be cheered by another bug report suggesting that Debian intends to go on supporting things like elogind: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=925331


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#105 2019-04-05 09:02:13

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Synaptic gone from Buster.
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065 … m-testing/
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … =818366#55
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comment … d_i_start/

Because it doesn't work with Wayland which is the defdault login for Gnome which is the default DE for Debian...


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#106 2019-04-05 10:21:45

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

Synaptic gone from Buster.
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065 … m-testing/
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … =818366#55
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comment … d_i_start/

Because it doesn't work with Wayland which is the defdault login for Gnome which is the default DE for Debian...

Ah, it's because Synaptic wants to have its GTK3 GUI run as root which GNOME doesn't like…they are suggesting polkit integration to fix the issue.

While Synaptic has been around  forever (I used it first about 12 years ago?) it is right that this doesn't work (anymore, by default anyway, there seem to be hacks around it), but I don't get why Debian would not include it at all since they still ship Xorg and 20 more desktops anyway, it's not in line with the attitude they are known for -- seems like they now care a lot more about brand. However, doesn't GNOME even have its own package manager / software center? Synaptic is not even the default package manager of GNOME. Non sequitur re. the GNOME issue. Most likely brand concerns.

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#107 2019-04-05 11:27:24

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

Synaptic gone from Buster.
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065 … m-testing/
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … =818366#55
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comment … d_i_start/

Because it doesn't work with Wayland which is the defdault login for Gnome which is the default DE for Debian...

Does it mean that it's gone from their xfce and other DEs as well? If it's a branding issue like @earlybird suggested, then perhaps it won't be available.

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#108 2019-04-06 04:40:50

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

ouch.
the second link says that the actual reason for the removal is "failure without error message".
I hope they get it fixed & put it back in ASAP. forcing things like GNOME software manager on all those "the terminal pains me" GUI freaks out there is not good.

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#109 2019-04-27 05:55:45

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Synaptic is back. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synaptic

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Meanwhile there's a new version of the Debian Installer out, which now seems to support Secure boot. cool
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-ins … 9/20190415


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#110 2019-05-21 05:53:56

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Debian Buster and Wayland
Summary of the current situation:
https://jmtd.net/log/buster_wayland/


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#111 2019-05-21 08:29:44

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^ Thanks for the link, very interesting. According to it, Synaptic is back but still not functional under Wayland

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#112 2019-05-22 16:03:35

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

earlybird wrote:

While Synaptic has been around  forever (I used it first about 12 years ago?) it is right that this doesn't work (anymore, by default anyway, there seem to be hacks around it), but I don't get why Debian would not include it at all since they still ship Xorg and 20 more desktops anyway, it's not in line with the attitude they are known for -- seems like they now care a lot more about brand. However, doesn't GNOME even have its own package manager / software center? Synaptic is not even the default package manager of GNOME. Non sequitur re. the GNOME issue. Most likely brand concerns.

Yes, gnome-core includes gnome-software (which is actually quite nice, but bloated of course).

What I don't get is the Firefox issue... without Wayland as a back end, switching to fullscreen in Firefox (keyboard shortcut F11) locks the entire desktop up, the screen glitches/freezes, no mouse or keyboard input so you have to do a hard shutdown (or ssh in and shut it down).

The workaround is to download a Firefox Nightly build and run it with Wayland support...

env GDK_BACKEND=wayland firefox

Is that all going to be pre-configured on Debian GNOME? The only version of FF in Debian is firefox-esr, they're not going to add a new browser this late in the freeze... I don't get it.

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#113 2019-06-27 03:16:39

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Debian Installer Buster RC 2 release
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a … 00005.html


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