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#301 2018-02-27 19:55:27

Martin
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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

I am not sure this is on topic but:

Any recommendations for browsers to use on Android devices?

/Martin


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#302 2018-02-28 13:05:30

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^Users tend to like Lightning. And there is also Privacy Browser. I like Zirco.

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#303 2018-03-02 17:31:39

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^+1 Lightning, typing on it now but a long way from a perfect mobile browser imo it's worth a looksee.

Has some interesting stuff, can block images and relatively easily en-disable Javascript in settings. Though with Chrome you can also enable data compression and whichever other features. I'd like to trust Google Inc but somehow just can't bring myself to it.

Have you tried Firefox mobile yet if so how's it coming along?

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#304 2018-03-02 19:00:42

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Martin wrote:

I am not sure this is on topic but:

Any recommendations for browsers to use on Android devices?

/Martin

search here: https://f-droid.org/ for fennec f-droid; it's firefox for mobile, but not the new version everyone is talking about; it's been in the f-droid repos for years.
most addons should Just Work (tm).
there's also a "firefox downloader" and some tor stuff (orbot).

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#305 2018-05-03 22:57:13

martix
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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Have you considered visiting a better pagemonkey

Having good times nowdays eh?  devil

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#306 2019-02-01 09:15:14

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Firefox is about to remove support for RSS feeds. With Quantum my favourite Livemarks addon has already disappeared, but the next ESL will not do anything with RSS feeds at all. I use them a lot - I've got dozens (just counted: 56) of live bookmarks. They're much more convenient for checking for stories you might be interested in than going to some site's top page, and I really don't relish having to start up some standalone app just for feeds, and then having to go back to Firefox to view the story, or else open it in some 3rd party respin of a web browser...

This dev discussion makes it clear enough why they're doing this - I was quite shocked to learn that only 0.1% of Fx users used RSS feeds - and the good news is that addon developers ought to be able to make substitutes.

I doubt if the big purveyors of data like the user freedom that RSS gives, and would happily see it disappear, but as long as sites provide feeds I'll go on using them.


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#307 2019-02-01 10:43:23

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

johnraff wrote:

Firefox is about to remove support for RSS feeds. With Quantum my favourite Livemarks addon has already disappeared, but the next ESL will not do anything with RSS feeds at all. I use them a lot - I've got dozens (just counted: 56) of live bookmarks. They're much more convenient for checking for stories you might be interested in than going to some site's top page, and I really don't relish having to start up some standalone app just for feeds, and then having to go back to Firefox to view the story, or else open it in some 3rd party respin of a web browser...

This dev discussion makes it clear enough why they're doing this - I was quite shocked to learn that only 0.1% of Fx users used RSS feeds - and the good news is that addon developers ought to be able to make substitutes.

I doubt if the big purveyors of data like the user freedom that RSS gives, and would happily see it disappear, but as long as sites provide feeds I'll go on using them.

We still have a BL ttrss instance. I'm using it all the time.


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#308 2019-02-01 16:03:11

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Am one of those who doesn't use RSS. Know what it is in general and can't see it disappearing. If direct support is being dropped in FF. Surely there are dedicated apps and hopefully an extension dev steps up to fill the void.

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#309 2019-02-02 00:22:45

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

I followed a thread by martix and got chromium-ungoogled installed. I am fairly impressed, especially as pages appear to load faster than Firefox and I feel more confident that I'm not just making money for google and other advertisers by clicking URL's. For me chromium-ungoogled feels like a, comfortable, unbloated, browser. I plan on looking at other browsers I have seen the name of such as iridium, but I havent done any research on them yet so dont know if they would be right for me. I was using firefox but I dislike their reliance on google for the majority of their income and have begun to mistrust their motives of late, especially since google and mozilla are both making noises that suggest moves against adblocking software and against script blockers. I like the latest version of chromium ungoogled as it introduced me toa meta-search engine called searx which is one of the best metasearch engines I have seen


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#310 2019-02-02 02:04:19

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

What is it with "Modern" websites anyway? My darned browser CACHE now requires more storage than my entire HARD DRIVE used to under Windows 98 or Debian Etch for everything, browser, office suite, media players ++ actual media files, and I see absolutely NO GAIN in functionality of browsers, only bloat && more ads!


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#311 2019-02-02 02:08:02

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

What is it with "Modern" websites anyway? My darned browser CACHE now requires more storage than my entire HARD DRIVE used to under Windows 98 or Debian Etch for everything, Operating system, browser, office suite, media players ++ actual media files, and I see absolutely NO GAIN in functionality of browsers, only bloat && more ads!


Blessed is he who expecteth nothing, for he shall not be disappointed...
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#312 2019-02-02 02:34:23

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^Yup.
It's not to benefit users, just to reap more data from them.


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#313 2019-02-02 02:51:44

johnraff
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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

BLizgreat! wrote:

Am one of those who doesn't use RSS. Know what it is in general and can't see it disappearing. If direct support is being dropped in FF. Surely there are dedicated apps and hopefully an extension dev steps up to fill the void.

Yes, thankfully.
Of course the RSS protocol itself won't disappear, but more and more websites are dropping feeds. They're great for users because they let you go directly to the item that's interesting, bypassing the front page, but that's exactly what the Big Guys hate about it, I would imagine. Fewer chances to show you ads, less control over what content you can access easily, lost opportunities to push something in your face...


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#314 2019-02-02 07:46:29

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

What is it with "Modern" websites anyway?

of course ads have changed, tracking scripts, graphics are usually more expensive (much larger images - compare then often-used tiled pngs or gifs with now often-used full-size jpg backgrounds) - but there's another aspect:

Web Designers designing web sites use a lot of prefabricated components: the CMS itself (i.e. "wordpress" or the like), some nice theme, scripts for nice image "lightboxes", ... there's no end.
But instead of tailoring everything to their needs, they just pile everything on top of each other. There's HUUUGE amounts of redundancy, unused code.
I recommend to sometimes "View Source" for any random web page.

It shows particularly well for CSS stylesheets, they are in the <head> section, and they all need to be loaded before your web site shows "properly" (my browser also has an option to switch of all styles, a sobering experience).

Anyhow, compare:
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
http://adventurega.me/bootstrap/
big_smile

I also once read a very well-written article about how web page sizes have increased uselessly over the year. It was way more than a rant, every point was addressed and dismissed, and still the pages are too large... wish i could find it, maybe twoion remembers?

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#315 2019-02-02 21:04:37

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Well http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com (Basically saying that most browser defaults are really bad, so perhaps a motion for better defaults is warranted instead?).  Me? Just my logo is 20 times bigger than that...

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2019-02-02 21:10:37)

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#316 2019-02-03 11:51:34

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^ i was looking for that yesterday and couldn't find it.
i actually agree with that guy more.
oh, and i really like their styles. reminds me of deadwood smile

the thing with the browser defaults, you just need to read some web designer rant, this discussion is very, very old and unlikely to ever improve.
and i wouldn't like if my browser would reduce the body's maximum width by default just because it looks better. no, that's what CSS is for.

but as that guy showed, it just takes a very few well-chosen declarations instead of a huge steaming pile of "bootstrap toolkit".

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#317 2019-02-04 05:43:42

johnraff
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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Also, just hit Firefox's built-in "reader view" (icon at end of url bar). It clears away all unwanted stuff, narrows the text in the centre to a comfortable width and recolours the background & text to something soothing. Somewhat configurable.


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#318 2019-02-11 13:23:37

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Is anyone using this persons ultimate hosts blacklist?, im going to try it out. Looks pretty comprehensive...

https://github.com/mitchellkrogza/Ultim … .Blacklist

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#319 2019-02-11 14:01:32

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

S7.L, I'am from now on. edit: Nope, back to https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2019-02-11 14:08:58)

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#320 2019-02-11 15:01:10

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^  is what i use bronto.


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#321 2019-02-11 15:18:32

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

brontosaurusrex wrote:

S7.L, I'am from now on. edit: Nope, back to https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/

That was a quick turn around, any reason why?

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#322 2019-02-11 15:31:50

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

brontosaurusrex wrote:

S7.L, I'am from now on. edit: Nope, back to https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/

Why? Just curious ...


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#323 2019-02-11 15:39:39

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^ i think i might know why, just tried accessing major pwn site with no issues, should be blocked on a hosts file like that.

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#324 2019-02-11 19:04:55

ohnonot
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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

i'm currently using these hosts lists:

# DEFAULT. Identitical to 'http://hosts-file.net/download/hosts.zip'
'http://support.it-mate.co.uk/downloads/HOSTS.txt'
# anti-ad and anti-malware list (winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm)
'http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.zip'
# anti-ad (pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/)
'http://pgl.yoyo.org/as/serverlist.php?hostformat=hosts&mimetype=plaintext'
# hpHosts main anti-ad and anti-malware (hosts-file.net/)
# Compressed version of 'http://support.it-mate.co.uk/downloads/HOSTS.txt'
'http://hosts-file.net/download/hosts.zip'
# anti-malware (www.malwaredomainlist.com/)
'http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/hostslist/hosts.txt'
# anti-ads-only version of hpHosts main list (hosts-file.net)
'http://hosts-file.net/ad_servers.txt'
# hpHosts inter-release (hosts-file.net/)
'http://hosts-file.net/hphosts-partial.asp'
# anti-malware (hostsfile.org/hosts.html)
'http://hostsfile.org/Downloads/BadHosts.unx.zip'
# anti-ad (hostsfile.mine.nu)
'http://hostsfile.mine.nu/Hosts.zip'
# anti-ad (sysctl.org/cameleon/)
'http://sysctl.org/cameleon/hosts'
# To Completely Block Facebook
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jmdugan/blocklists/master/corporations/facebook/all

my hostsblock program filters duplicates out and compiles them to:

wc -l /etc/hosts
933387 /etc/hosts

big_smile

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#325 2019-02-12 05:04:19

Dobbie03
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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Last night for the first time ever, my Linux install is Firefox free.  I have moved over to Qutebrowser 100%.


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