Arch Linux vs Bunsenlabs

Snap · 2015-11-14 10:44:38

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shot-in-the-head · 2015-11-14 10:54:36

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

ohnonot wrote:
a feeling i could not have if i'd used one of the many installer scripts
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I would find it more time-consuming and frustrating to try to figure out how exactly the installer had set my system up than to actually set it up myself.
[/$0.02]

Maybe you could say that for a lot of Distros that just set up everything for you.
I found helmutd's scripts very easy to use and just give me the basics and you get to choose how much extra you install.
I installed Arch on this laptop 2yrs ago, Whatever way I had installed it I wouldn't be able to remember what I had done a week later never mind 6months later with my memory ,so I don't think copying and pasting commands in a terminal or typing them in and doing it all the long way would have been any help.

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nobody0 · 2015-11-14 17:01:44

In Arch Linux, the /bin, /lib, /lib64 and /sbin in / directory in linked /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /usr/lib64, /usr/sbin accordingly, making Arch a user's distro, so what would happen if the same method used in Debian (BunsenLabs)?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-11-14 17:33:00

ostrolek wrote:

what would happen if the same method used in Debian (BunsenLabs)?

I think dpkg(8) would refuse to install packages across symlinks so it probably wouldn't work at all.

nobody0 · 2015-11-14 18:25:07

^ I saw the same in Fedora.
Is there a reason, why dpkg would refuse to install packages?

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deleted0 · 2015-11-15 13:20:01

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

EDIT: 500 posts! Woot!

Whoo Hoo, I'm closing in on 20 posts. I'm not real chatty, but I'd love to say how grateful I am for all I've learned on this forum (#! and BL) and the many interesting things I've been exposed to by the efforts of you all.

best regards,
8bit

EDIT: To get back on topic, One Of These Days ®, I'm gonna install Arch just for the learning curve.

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Temetka · 2015-11-17 02:34:44

Ya know, when I read the thread title I can't help but picture a virtual cage with these 2 distro's in it and and voiceless announer coming over the PA system and intorducing the contenstants.

2 Distro's enter.

1 Distro leaves.

pa$$word · 2015-11-17 04:45:14

Plenty of BL people who use Arch and vice versa.

Arch is basically a permanent alpha. You need the interest and capability to manage that. BunsenLabs is built on top of Debian stable. However, because you can also run buggy untested bleeding edge software on Debian (Sid), some BL people change it to track Debian unstable.

Both distributions appeal to people who are happy with the terminal and prefer simplicity over graphical clutter.

ohnonot · 2015-11-17 06:53:24

Temetka wrote:

Ya know, when I read the thread title I can't help but picture a virtual cage with these 2 distro's in it and and voiceless announer coming over the PA system and intorducing the contenstants.

well, it's potential troll fodder, or at least an endless rant...

pa$$word wrote:

Arch is basically a permanent alpha.

sorry but this is just not true.
arch is long established and uses a well-developed package management; one has to pay a little attention during upgrades, but apart from that it's pretty stable.
just don't use [testing].

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-11-17 07:02:24

ohnonot wrote:

just don't use [testing]

Actually, I've been using [testing] on three machines for a few months now with no problems :D

Of course I have to use the AUR to pull my window manager from git...

Normal Arch is too stale for me :p

pa$$word · 2015-11-17 16:51:01

Maybe alpha means different things to us both. If an upstream developer releases a new major version of a package, and a couple of days later it's in Arch, what's the difference between that and an alpha release?

Unia · 2015-11-17 17:57:31

pa$$word wrote:

Maybe alpha means different things to us both. If an upstream developer releases a new major version of a package, and a couple of days later it's in Arch, what's the difference between that and an alpha release?

The fact that it is a release, and not an alpha-release If a developer releases an alpha, that is (usually) not packaged. Simple.

pa$$word · 2015-11-18 03:51:55

Well, you lot use Arch. So you know better than me.

I bleed enough on Debian stable

ohnonot · 2015-11-18 06:32:24

pa$$word wrote:

Well, you lot use Arch. I bleed enough on Debian stable.

another goldie for the fortunes!

ps: i hope you don't mind that i edited your quote a little? i wouldn't want to distort your meaning.

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KrunchTime · 2015-11-18 10:07:15

I think what pa$$word meant was that Arch is a permanent rolling release distro.

BLizgreat! · 2015-11-21 17:25:02

Differences ... hmmmm.

Ok, think of Arch as pulling your own eyebrows, pubic or other sensitive hairs out w a pair of pliers and BL ( majority of Debian) as a walk in the park on a sunny dy.

Messing round ( well sorta). Plenty of documentation on installing n config'ing Arch available. Though it's clearly not a hold your hand kinda distro and thereby has many inherent butt pains circumvented by installing any of a frigzillion other gnu/nix distro's.

Jmo ... though think a more natural progression is likely to produce joy. The whole crawl before walk, walk before run, n run before fly thingy. Not that Arch is so much a flying kinda thing. With so much nixy goodness in the world you don't have to look far/hard to find awesome OS's.

Do like Arch, never had any probs with it and is good nix imo. Still can't say it stands much taller than any of many others. Remember setting up an Arch install a couple times and then asking meself. Did you really just spend 12hrs doing this, when ya could've installed any of 200 other nix distros in in 20-45mins and been done ?

Arch imo is kickbutt, their doc's are top notch and the userbase is clearly above avg in terms of tech literacy. It's nix ... do whatever pleases ya.

Vll!

nobody0 · 2015-11-21 18:37:25

^ 12 hours?!
One hour more likely.
You can also install BL RC1 Live iso using the Arch thinking, if the installer fails (or without the installer).

BLizgreat! · 2015-12-04 00:09:11

Arch is from an ancient african word for "I just spent 12hrs getting X to work, when I could've just installed any of 375 other distros and been done with it."

Lmao ... messing round AND NOW DA BABBLE COMETH !

Still prefer Debian ( and BL being Debian derived has the virtue of being so.) Installed Arch a couple times through-out the years, didn't have any trouble and think it's kickbutt gnu/nix. Jmo .. though think the idea or purpose of technology is to make life easier and though it wasn't insurmountable to deal with by any means. Got the impression Arch is more geared towards fighting an enduser than majority of other nix distros. Really isn't though, people behind Arch aren't bashful about telling people do for yourself, put in the time to research and learn or go/use something more to your liking instead.

Perfectly reasonable me thinks. Upkeeping a gnu/Nix distribution takes time/effort/expense from the people behind it, it's core userbase ... so forth. So expecting endusers or people who want to be a part of that community to be willing to expend effort too is thus totally fair. Have mucho respect for the people behind Arch Linux. Gnu/Nix may be opensource and usually free but that doesn't mean every distro or community wants every single type of person using it or invited in. Arch clearly doesn't want lazy, stupid, help-vampish etc etc types involved in what they're doing.

Really don't blame them either. Many other Nix communities who feel the same and don't want those types of people crapping up something they really like and are passionate about. Are Debian ( other grandfather distro based or independent distro's) too that do xyz to discourage or keep out unsavory types too. Some very vocal, even hostile to unwanted users in the community. Just my take on it but yes, Arch and it's userbase expect people to read ( and hopefully contribute to their wiki and community) the manual. Spend some time learning and solving their own issues, learning to admin their own system(s).

My take on Debian ( thus BL) ? It's friggin kickarse dude ! More hand holding in general, more working with/for someone and an infinite amount of things a nixer can do with it, given the need, the knowledge and as per Arch the willingness to invest time and effort. Hopefully contributing something along the way, whether it be tech help, interesting/useful knowledge, cash, whatever.

Would say you won't know until you try, try them both and see what's best for you. Not all nix newbs are created equal, some are clearly predisposed techies and passionate about tech. See nixers come along and in a span of couple months are teaching people who've been using gnu/nix for years stuff. Nixers predisposed and passionate about tech. Though even those who aren't, with all the painfully detailed documentation both Arch ( and Debian) have out there if you're willing to learn the info's right there.

Wonder what it was like for the old grey neckbeards trying to figure it all out ? When it was web BBS's and barely an internet.

VLL!

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g33zr · 2015-12-04 02:06:06

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

Arch is from an ancient african word for "I just spent 12hrs getting X to work, when I could've just installed any of 375 other distros and been done with it." big_smile
Lmao ... messing round AND NOW DA BABBLE COMETH !

Ah, Babble Meister, appreciate the wisdom as always. As tempted as I might be to install and config Arch or Gentoo from scratch, I confess--mea culpa--to installing one of the gazillion ready-made Linux distros like BL or Manjaro and, in your words, "be done with it."

BLizgreat! · 2015-12-04 04:43:42

^Good 2 see ya G33zr.

Am occasionally tempted the same. Never tried Gentoo and it was one of the "power users" distro's of choice long before Arch existed.

Not that am implying anything negative about either. Liked Arch very much and don't doubt Gentoo is great stuff too. Jmo ... but so is Debian and for me easier to deal/get along/ with.

Guessing that's mostly just laziness, comfort zone and lack of time. Arch never gave me any trouble after taking the time to set an install up. Gentoo never tried, am guessing it'd be painful for awhile trying to get used to how it works. Once all is up, running and a person has some knowledge and experience under the belt am sure Gentoo is a walk in the park for nixers used to it.

VlBL!

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