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#51 2017-12-08 21:48:15

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Oh, that's cool. Does this mean they may merge our fixes upstream into debian testing?

I think I just may have found a lower friction way to suggest changes in debian big_smile

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#52 2017-12-09 02:50:10

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

^Unlikely, I'd say. This is cool, but it's autogenerated by scripts.

Any real changes to Debian packages have to go through the Usual Channels™.


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#53 2017-12-10 20:00:40

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

The next version of firefox-esr will be based on the current Nightly release, which is v59, and this requires cargo to build correctly.

It's not clear (to me) what will happen when v59 transitions to ESR status but it may be that FF is dropped, just like Chromium has just been dropped from jessie.

Hopefully, Debian will instead choose to add cargo to stretch, this is against policy but so was switching to firefox-esr during the lifetime of the stable release (jessie, in that case) so fingers crossed, eh?


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#54 2017-12-11 06:03:40

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The next version of firefox-esr... requires cargo to build correctly.

Cargo is available in Buster. Would Fx ESR be changed during the lifetime of Stretch?

Even if it was, would that need cargo to be available in the Stretch repo, if it's only a build requirement?


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#55 2017-12-11 06:46:51

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

We were discussing unattended-upgrades a while ago.
It now looks as if there's a good chance the package will be installed and security upgrades enabled by default in Debian (Buster?). Not everyone agrees though: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=875858


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#56 2017-12-11 06:59:24

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

Would Fx ESR be changed during the lifetime of Stretch?

Yes, I would think so — Debian went from Iceweasel v45 (RIP) to firefox-esr v52 during the jessie release.

johnraff wrote:

Even if it was, would that need cargo to be available in the Stretch repo, if it's only a build requirement?

Perhaps not, let us hope that is the case.

johnraff wrote:

security upgrades enabled by default in Debian

For Debian stretch, the GNOME desktop option already automatically installs and enables unattended-upgrades wink


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#57 2018-01-23 08:32:00

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Shouldn’t BL “connected” directly to Debian instead of Ubuntu?!File:Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

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#58 2018-01-23 11:13:06

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Camiciaio Matto wrote:

Shouldn’t BL “connected” directly to Debian instead of Ubuntu?

Yeah, it should. Btw, here is URL to mentioned chart since it doesn't load properly via code you used.


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#59 2018-01-23 19:12:31

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Sun For Miles wrote:
Camiciaio Matto wrote:

Shouldn’t BL “connected” directly to Debian instead of Ubuntu?

Yeah, it should. Btw, here is URL to mentioned chart since it doesn't load properly via code you used.

But Crunchbang was originally Ubuntu based. It later switched to Debian and this chart does not seem set up to handle these kinds of details.


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#60 2018-06-19 08:33:51

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Debian support for UEFI Secure Boot is coming on. Fingers crossed for Buster.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project … 00071.html

(Note the thanks to Dropbox for sponsoring one of the developers.)


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#61 2018-08-01 02:16:35

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

Debian support for UEFI Secure Boot is coming on.

Now UEFI secure boot support is in live-build 1:20180328. (Buster already ships 1:20180618.)

It will be interesting to try building an experimental Buster/Lithium iso (with standard BL helium packages) just to see how hard it is to get secure boot working.


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#62 2018-08-01 02:24:27

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Insight into the inner workings of a community-driven project like Debian. Nothing comes top-down from management, so rules have to be made to keep all decision-making transparent. This discussion is about adding a new procedure for dealing with packages that appear to have been abandoned by their maintainers:

Let's start salvaging packages!

Glossary:
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#63 2018-08-01 02:27:37

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

KDE and Debian coming a little closer?

Debian Joins KDE's Advisory Board

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For keeping up with Debian news, the mailing lists are good, though can be a bit time-consuming.


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#64 2018-08-01 02:27:42

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#65 2018-08-01 13:30:44

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

hhh wrote:

Nice post, this is important.

It's IMO the most negative aspect of the Debian project: Its huge share of packages that are abandanoned and/or not up-to-date and/or dysfunctional packages. Packages that were not updated across two major releases (at least 4 years!) are not news. It'd be better to downsize, IMO. They have popcon for a reason.

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#66 2018-08-01 20:40:17

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earlybird wrote:

They have popcon for a reason.

Kinda begs the question why Helium doesn't ask about popcon, when #! did... Just sayin, been known to install it on purpose myself after the fact.  Far less of a privacy invasion than Win 10, as long as the install is optional.


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#67 2018-08-02 02:52:54

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Bearded_Blunder wrote:

why Helium doesn't ask about popcon, when #! did...

No idea. We didn't do anything specific to take it out. Something to keep an eye open for with the Lithium isos.


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#68 2018-08-02 02:57:42

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

earlybird wrote:

...the Debian project: Its huge share of packages that are abandanoned and/or not up-to-date and/or dysfunctional packages.... It'd be better to downsize, IMO.

Maybe they should make it easier to drop packages - after attempts to contact the maintainer, and appeal for Salvagers. There should be a list of packages in danger of being orphaned somewhere...


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#69 2018-09-28 01:37:15

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Debian package salvaging is now officially documented. Rescuing abandoned packages should become a little easier now that the process is clearly set out and salvagers - if they follow that - won't have to worry about being accused of hijacking.


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#70 2018-10-01 06:03:22

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Debian Release Team wrote:

As a reminder, the freeze time table for buster is:

* 2019-01-12 - Transition freeze
* 2019-02-12 - Soft-freeze
* 2019-03-12 - Full-freeze

More here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a … 00004.html


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#71 2018-10-01 22:42:10

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@The Team, so probably a June release. Keep it in mind, we should have Lithium ready by then or shortly after.

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#72 2018-10-01 23:53:05

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^Yes indeed.


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#73 2018-10-17 04:50:06

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

The system tray - at least as we know it - is on its way out.

This is not recent, but it was news to me anyway. roll

A note by a radio player, Goodvibes:

goodvibes developer wrote:

It’s possible to launch Goodvibes with the --status-icon option. In this mode, Goodvibes will not display a main window, but will instead add an icon to your notification area (also called system tray).

This is a kind of legacy feature, and it will be removed from Goodvibes at some point in the future. This is not supported by the toolkit (GTK+) anymore...

Led to "gtk_status_icon_new has been deprecated since version 3.14" and "GtkStatusIcon has been deprecated in 3.14. You should consider using notifications or more modern platform-specific APIs instead."

Debian Stretch is on gtk+3.0 ver. 3.22 and Buster is 3.24 at the moment and the general opinion seems to be that support for the systray won't be dropped till GTK4, whenever that arrives in Debian. So we needn't worry right away, and anyway it's mainly an issue for package developers (er... tint2's o9000?), but something we derivative assemblers ought to be aware of.

The current systray is dependent on X, so a shift to Wayland would mean a change to something else anyway. KDE/Plasma moved away from the Xembed-based systray some time ago: "System Tray in Plasma Next" and there seems to be a replacement on its way in Debian called Ayatana AppIndicator.

EDIT: This about appindicators in Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperien … rs#Summary

Hmm... BL a few releases down the line might be quite different...

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