News that might affect BunsenLabs

trinidad · 2022-01-08 15:56:08

The recent Debian upgrade of Thunderbird to 91.4 has exposed us to the upstream devs' decision to drop support for Unix Movemail accounts:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625741

How annoyingly stupid. They site telemetry data as an excuse when most users of this feature disable the OOTB telemetry. I have never liked Thunderbird (hate the GUI setup screens) and always used Evolution on Debian but I install a lot of systems for new users (Linux Lite) and now var/mail/ won't be functional in TB which I often set up for them to check logs and security notices or at least remind them when it automatically showed up in their mail. Just more purposed dumbing down of software IMHO to hold more sheeple users hostage to a false digital esoterica. Kind of disgusting.

TC

johnraff · 2022-01-09 06:30:58

johnraff wrote:

I'm still keeping my eyes open for a tutorial on how to use the more lightweight mailutils-imap4d instead.

Actually dovecot is working (a test message to root appeared OK) and is using very few system resources according to htop - close to zero for both CPU and RAM, so I'm not too worried.

johnraff · 2022-01-11 02:38:51

Re: swap, there's a discussion on debian-user, starts here:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/20 … 00258.html

johnraff · 2022-01-25 00:11:37

[SUA 211-1] Updated clamav version

Anyone using clamav should probably update:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable- … 00001.html

Bearded_Blunder · 2022-01-27 13:24:38

@misko_2083 (and others). Case of running

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

Debian advisory here and it's fixed in 0.105-31+deb11u1 (Bullseye). As long as you have security enabled in sources they've already fixed it right the way back to (and including) Stretch.

Debian security team are pretty good

Last edited by Bearded_Blunder (2022-01-27 13:26:32)

johnraff · 2022-03-11 04:30:49

util-linux: many changes in Bullseye

util-linux ships a lot of important utilities, see this blog post for details of what's changed (check out the linked changelogs too):
https://michael-prokop.at/blog/2021/07/ … nbullseye/

sleekmason · 2022-03-11 13:34:09

Thanks for the info. It appears the Bullseye point release 11.3 will be between the 26th of March and April 9th, with the 26th being the most likely?

I was following the mailing list so don't know if there has been a further update there.

I would suppose at this point you are waiting until the point release before building BL?

johnraff · 2022-03-15 02:35:19

^That would be a good idea, yes. I've already done a trial iso build and it looks OK, so as soon as our graphics stack is complete (a non-trivial task btw) we should be good to release.

Colonel Panic · 2022-03-25 13:28:46

trinidad wrote:

The recent Debian upgrade of Thunderbird to 91.4 has exposed us to the upstream devs' decision to drop support for Unix Movemail accounts:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625741
How annoyingly stupid. They site telemetry data as an excuse when most users of this feature disable the OOTB telemetry. I have never liked Thunderbird (hate the GUI setup screens) and always used Evolution on Debian but I install a lot of systems for new users (Linux Lite) and now var/mail/ won't be functional in TB which I often set up for them to check logs and security notices or at least remind them when it automatically showed up in their mail. Just more purposed dumbing down of software IMHO to hold more sheeple users hostage to a false digital esoterica. Kind of disgusting.
TC

Hi Trinidad,

I've never found ANY E-mail program that isn't a PITA to set up; feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think it goes with the territory. For me Thunderbird is the least bad one to set up which is why I use it most often, with Sylpheed and (Sylpheed?)-Claws competing for second place; unlike Thunderbird they don't autodetect the mail server settings so you have to put the settings in yourself.

Maybe E-mail programs deserve a separate thread?

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2022-03-25 14:19:37)

johnraff · 2022-07-21 04:45:59

Ongoing Debian wrangling over merged /usr

Distros like RedHat made the shift to merged usr (eg bash goes in /usr/bin/bash not /bin/bash) quite some time ago. Don't want to knock Debian - they put a high priority on smooth upgrading, which I can't fault - but we still don't know if merged usr will be compulsory for Bookworm or not. As usual there's more going on underneath, and maybe we can look forward some day to a solution that dpkg can live with...
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … 994388#110
https://lwn.net/Articles/890219/
https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html

It has an impact on eg scripts: shebangs might some day have to be edited from #!/bin/bash to #!/usr/bin/bash or even #!/usr/bin/env bash .

unklar · 2022-07-21 06:59:19

Also here some background knowledge:

https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?t … 6#msg68596

johnraff · 2022-09-06 06:51:46

Debian approaching a major decision about non-free firmware

https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003

sleekmason · 2022-09-06 13:39:22

^ long time coming.

Personally, I hope they go with 'B'. 'A' would work just fine also but might be nice to still have a choice or for testing.
Thanks for the link!

johnraff · 2022-09-07 04:45:50

^agreed.
I like the look of B too.

johnraff · 2022-10-03 05:59:54

The Debian Developers' firmware vote went for option E, by a big margin:
https://blog.einval.com/2022/10/02#firmware-vote-result

One installer, including non-free firmware by default, and an addition to the Social Contract to explain this.
I'm pretty sure completely free Debian installs will still be possible, for those lucky enough to have the right hardware.

sleekmason · 2022-10-03 13:30:26

^ Well, that works.

@johnraff Went to download the latest from Sourceforge and noticed that the i386 version is default for the download button. https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsenlabs-releases/

rbh · 2022-10-03 18:46:01

sleekmason wrote:

noticed that the i386 version is default for the download button. https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsenlabs-releases/

Hmm, should be the 64 bit version with 7 times more downloads, or link to the iso directory...

johnraff · 2022-10-04 04:26:14

sleekmason wrote:

@johnraff Went to download the latest from Sourceforge and noticed that the i386 version is default for the download button. https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsenlabs-releases/

I guess that's because i386 was the last upload, so it's the "latest" that the button points to. One hack might be to upload the amd64 one more time to make it the newest, but I don't feel inclined to invest a lot of time into tweaking the Sourceforge interface. It's only for test isos after all, not intended for general users.

sleekmason · 2022-10-04 14:24:14

johnraff wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
@johnraff Went to download the latest from Sourceforge and noticed that the i386 version is default for the download button. https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsenlabs-releases/
I guess that's because i386 was the last upload, so it's the "latest" that the button points to. One hack might be to upload the amd64 one more time to make it the newest, but I don't feel inclined to invest a lot of time into tweaking the Sourceforge interface. It's only for test isos after all, not intended for general users.

No need to upload again. When logged into Sourceforge, got to files --> releases --> and then click on the round "i" (info) icon of the build you want to be default. once opened, "Select All" and save to make it the default download.

johnraff · 2022-10-05 01:52:55

^That did it - thanks!

It's a pity that the SF interface doesn't show what file that big button will bring in - the url just points to https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsen … t/download
Users have to start the download to discover which file it is.

It's really better to scroll down a bit and choose the file from the list below.

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