Diodon or Clipit?

sleekmason · 2020-12-26 00:16:00

ohnonot wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
Diodon is a direct replacement from my understanding.
I'm not so sure.
I just tried to install it on ArchLinux and caught a few snags:
It lives on launchpad and is generally Ubuntu/GNOME-centric. Something about app indicator vs. system tray...?
It pulls in a busload of dependencies, amongst which the much hated zeitgeist user activity logger
It uses that newfangled meson build system and I quickly gave up on trying to reconfigure it to reduce dependencies. OK, that one is entriely my own fault.
Anyhow, it might look like clipit, but it's certainly more demanding.
FWIW, I now use parcellite. That really seems to be almost 1:1 with clipit.

False advertising then:) Well, hope something turns up. xsel any use?

hhh · 2020-12-26 00:38:56

Diodon seems to be a direct replacement for the deprecated clipit on buster...

I find the built-in Debian command and copy/paste memory to be quite enough, but I currently would recommend Diodon for a dedicated clipboard manager.

Note that though clipit is marked "deprecated", it is still available in all the Debian repos, so there is no real reason to drop it just yet...

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=clipit

damo · 2020-12-26 02:04:57

Didn't we swap in clipit for parcellite, which was what #! used, IIRC?

johnraff · 2020-12-26 03:41:51

Clipit describes itself as "forked from Parcellite and adds many bugfixes and features" - I forget if the switch was made by BL or Corenominal, though there's no mention of it on these forums, so must have been a long time ago.

Now clipit is marked "deprecated" on Debian and gets replaced by a zenity message.
This seems to be a decision by the Debian maintainer who personally uses Diodon (bug report):

I’m afraid just that one patch won’t help and the upstream source
needs to be reverted to what was shipped as 1.4.2-1.2. I gave up on
making this code work, and I don’t understand why it doesn’t properly
(on my machine, for example, it very unreliably captures the clipboard
contents). I have switched to Diodon myself, which also supports
holding images.
Given this, and the fact the upstream has disappeared a year ago, I
hope you understand why I’m not very motivated to do any work to get
this fixed in stable.

This was posted in April 2020, but subsequently there has been more activity upstream, and the developer writes:

ClipIt available in Debian and Ubuntu repositories (1.4.4) is broken. Use latest package from this repo.

There is now a clipit 1.4.5 but I wonder what the chances are of it arriving on Debian?

Meanwhile, while parcellite is still in the Debian repos it's tagged as " Marked for autoremoval on 06 January: #956778".

While either of those apps might still be quite reasonable choices for an individual user, I don't think they're appropriate for the default shipped by a distrolette like BL.

Now, Diodon is Gnome-oriented, admitted by the developer, and zeitgeist is not going away.

IMO that leaves xfce4-clipman (was there a problem with that?) and vasa1's recent suggestion of qlipper. I've been using xfce4-clipman personally for some time now with no outstanding issues, and am just now switching to qlipper for a while to see how it goes...

DeepDayze · 2020-12-26 04:02:13

Perhaps go with xfce4-clipman considering BL has a good number of XFCE components as part of base install? Qlipper is qt-based and that tends to be hard to get themed properly.

ohnonot · 2020-12-26 10:20:22

@johnraff: thanks for this long and comprehensive post. I can see now how parcellite could be seen as a step backwards from clipit, however its github repo has seen fairly recent activity, just like clipit's.
Parcellite has been working well for me. I stopped using clipit for some weird behavior that popped up fairly recently.

However, xfce4-clipman is a workable alternative:
Firstly, it works without xfce4-panel!
It does not have its own global hotkey, but the history can be popped up with a separate command 'xfce4-clipman-history' which can be bound to a hotkey in rc.xml. Dandy.
It does not advertise to be handling the primary selection at all, but it does! This is 50% of the reason I use a clipboard manager.
Its list of dependencies is slightly longer than that for clipit but actually shorter than that for parcellite, and most of it is probably already present on BL because of xfce4-power-manager.

I'll be testing clipit 1.4.5, parcellite 1.2.1 and xfce4-clipman-plugin 1.6.1 some more.

Oh and one more time in case it was overread by some: Diodon is GNOME-centric. It pulls in a crapload of stuff that I do not have or want or need on my system, even though I already run some GNOME-centric applications.
It would be interesting if someone could report back about what it pulls in when installed on BL. And how much MEM/CPU it uses. And do you have a zeitgeist daemon running afterwards?

Last edited by ohnonot (2021-07-04 09:27:48)

rbh · 2020-12-26 13:42:39

johnraff wrote:

and zeitgeist is not going away.

Sometimes it takes time before all information pieces is laid out correct...

Package diodon, provides " a zeitgeist integration for an infinite clipboard history."

Before I upgraded 2 PC's to bullsey. PC's that had midori installed and the zeitgeist service disabled.

When installed on an pc without zeitgeist installed, it will only install package zeitgeist-core. It will not install the full zeitgeist service!, only core libs.

Xfce4-clipman, has the advantage of beeing able to convert clipped text to QR-codes. Diodon, has the advantage to be able to include images.

I can live with either.

Last edited by rbh (2020-12-26 13:56:18)

DeepDayze · 2020-12-26 23:28:10

rbh wrote:

johnraff wrote:
and zeitgeist is not going away.
Sometimes it takes time before all information pieces is laid out correct...
Package diodon, provides " a zeitgeist integration for an infinite clipboard history."
Before I upgraded 2 PC's to bullsey. PC's that had midori installed and the zeitgeist service disabled.
When installed on an pc without zeitgeist installed, it will only install package zeitgeist-core. It will not install the full zeitgeist service!, only core libs.
Xfce4-clipman, has the advantage of beeing able to convert clipped text to QR-codes. Diodon, has the advantage to be able to include images.
I can live with either.

Okay thanks for the clarification about only the zeitgeist core library package being installed and not the full zeitgeist package. Maybe as part of bl-welcome you can select what clipboard manager you want to use?

vasa1 · 2020-12-31 07:50:21

Here's a post about a "script that effectively turns xclip into a clipboard manager":
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=262202

rbh · 2020-12-31 11:09:23

Seems promising, but: "I don't care about history".

I sometimes need paste someting older than present present content of the clipboard. If the above means that is impossible, it seriously hampers the usefullness.

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johnraff · 2021-02-01 05:29:38

It looks as if parcellite has been patched and available in Bullseye.
I've installed it on a test system to see how it goes. Maybe this will do as default? The others are an apt-get away.

parcellite wrote:

Parcellite is a stripped down, basic-features-only clipboard manager with a small memory footprint for those who like simplicity.

sleekmason · 2021-02-01 15:07:16

Parcellite looks decent. Started right up with a nifty tray icon to edit the clipboard, or clear.
Also, plenty of preferences to customize a bit. Nice find.

Last edited by sleekmason (2021-02-01 15:09:53)

DeepDayze · 2021-02-01 21:19:48

Nice...thought Parcellite was dead as it was a pretty darn good clipboard manager. I may try to replace diodon with this on my Sid rig.

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sleekmason · 2021-02-03 13:37:15

There are some issues with Parcellite I think. I installed it to run in different wms, and noticed that when using Stalonetray, the icon stays at 64x64. Assuming this is Parcellite not respecting the conditions set forth in the Stalonetray config.
Also, While thinking about it a bit, I decided to remove it from my Openbox autostart, but it still showed up in the tray? Yeah, surely a mistake on my part.

Anyhow, could be wrong about the culprit here but seems there may be some small issues.

johnraff · 2021-02-04 05:00:53

*) Icon size issue I can't help with. It's working OK for me in openbox on Lithium.

*) Autostart: yes it installs /etc/xdg/autostart/parcellite-startup.desktop so doesn't need an entry in {bunsenlabs, openbox}/autostart That means that to stop it autostarting you can either 1) uninstall it, or 2) copy the .desktop file to ~/.config/autostart and add a line

Hidden=true

at the end.

ohnonot · 2021-02-04 06:02:32

sleekmason wrote:

the icon stays at 64x64. Assuming this is Parcellite not respecting the conditions set forth in the Stalonetray config.

I don't think any clipboard manager respects the Stalonetray config.
It's likely an icon theme issue, but parcellite has an option to choose a different one. You could try just "clipboard" instead of the deafult "parcellite".

sleekmason · 2021-02-04 14:07:59

ohnonot wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
the icon stays at 64x64. Assuming this is Parcellite not respecting the conditions set forth in the Stalonetray config.
I don't think any clipboard manager respects the Stalonetray config.
It's likely an icon theme issue, but parcellite has an option to choose a different one. You could try just "clipboard" instead of the deafult "parcellite".

Clipit does as far as I can tell, unless clipit is using a smaller icon by default?

Rather disappointing as I liked the layout better in Parcellite. Maybe I'll give it another shot and mess with the icons a bit.

sleekmason · 2021-02-04 14:12:44

johnraff wrote:

*) Icon size issue I can't help with. It's working OK for me in openbox on Lithium.
*) Autostart: yes it installs /etc/xdg/autostart/parcellite-startup.desktop so doesn't need an entry in {bunsenlabs, openbox}/autostart That means that to stop it autostarting you can either 1) uninstall it, or 2) copy the .desktop file to ~/.config/autostart and add a line
Hidden=true
at the end.

Thank you. I wondered if this was the case as it is necessary for all of the lxde items.

Okay, with new information in hand from you both, I'll give this another go!

*Update - All good now:) Thank you both. Using accessories-text-editor for the moment.

Last edited by sleekmason (2021-02-04 18:34:47)

JCN-9000 · 2021-02-10 10:38:46

Hi
while my usage of clipboard is pretty low demanding, since I mostly never use history, I was struggling to find a tool that fully blends all selections types and clipboards together in order to paste them with mouse wheel or Shift-Insert.

I've tried parcellite for a couple of days, working fair, but has issues with triple click: full row selection mostly goes wrong.
I need to carefully time the clicks to get the selection recognized.
Anyone has the same feeling ?

Going back to xfce4-clipman.

johnraff · 2021-02-11 02:13:27

^useful feedback, thanks!

So it still looks like a toss-up between parcellite and xfce4-clipman for BL default?

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