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#1 2020-05-02 23:41:10

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Diodon or Clipit?

What about changing to Diodon from clipit as clipboard manager? Anyone used Diodon and what experiences with it?

On my Bun-Sid setup, Diodon replaced clipit as clipit's been marked deprecated.

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#2 2020-05-03 04:24:36

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

I've just switched to diodon now to see how it feels. (It's using a bit more memory than clipit and adds a daemon: zeitgeist.)
Clipit has no maintainer atm and seems unsupported upstream, but it's still in sid and bullseye, so should be available in Debian for a while.
There's also xfce4-clipman to consider.

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#3 2020-05-03 07:04:32

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Also, some of clipit's keybinds are either not functional or clash with Openbox sad


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#4 2020-05-03 10:25:20

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

(It's using a bit more memory than clipit and adds a daemon: zeitgeist.)

I disable zeitgeist. It is trown in with midori, i use on low-spec comps. But zeitgeist, that "hich logs user activities and events, anywhere from files opened to websites visited or conversations held via email and more. It makes this information readily available for other applications to use in the form of timelines and statistics." https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zeitgeist.

On lowspec pc, it is taking to much resources.

See also:
https://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-remo … tu-and-why
https://dwaves.org/2016/02/16/linux-deb … t-datahub/
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2 … -Zeitgeist
Ubuntu: Why is zeitgeist daemon still in exitstance? How to remove the database?


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#5 2020-05-03 20:15:01

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

rbh wrote:
johnraff wrote:

(It's using a bit more memory than clipit and adds a daemon: zeitgeist.)

I disable zeitgeist. It is trown in with midori, i use on low-spec comps. But zeitgeist, that "hich logs user activities and events, anywhere from files opened to websites visited or conversations held via email and more. It makes this information readily available for other applications to use in the form of timelines and statistics." https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zeitgeist.

On lowspec pc, it is taking to much resources.

See also:
https://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-remo … tu-and-why
https://dwaves.org/2016/02/16/linux-deb … t-datahub/
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2 … -Zeitgeist
Ubuntu: Why is zeitgeist daemon still in exitstance? How to remove the database?

Thanks for the info about Zeitgeist and the potential for nefarious use of this daemon. Not sure why it's needed.

A quick way to disable it was to make the db Zeitgeist uses read only and it will just spit an error and terminate.

EDIT: Just did some testing and discovered that Diodon uses Zeitgeist to record the copy/paste history. If the db is not writable it won't save any copy paste history at all.

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#6 2020-05-03 20:17:52

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

I've just switched to diodon now to see how it feels. (It's using a bit more memory than clipit and adds a daemon: zeitgeist.)
Clipit has no maintainer atm and seems unsupported upstream, but it's still in sid and bullseye, so should be available in Debian for a while.
There's also xfce4-clipman to consider.

I may take a look at xfce4-clipman as well

This topic seems to be a good one as a future release of BL (Beryllium or even Boron?) will need to take this into consideration. I did see somewhere that Diodon itself will be removed from Debian after Bullseye so there may be a need for a replacement for Clipit and Diodon down the road. Maybe xfce4-clipman could be a useful replacement.

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#7 2020-05-04 00:52:29

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Finding simple, reliable utilities that don't pull in a whole desktop environment is an ongoing saga here and in all semi-lightweight setups I guess. Unsupported by Gnome or KDE they start well but often just fade away because the developer found something else to do with his/her life...

Xfce and lxde/lxqt apps might occupy a sort of middle ground.


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#8 2020-05-04 01:22:29

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

Finding simple, reliable utilities that don't pull in a whole desktop environment is an ongoing saga here and in all semi-lightweight setups I guess. Unsupported by Gnome or KDE they start well but often just fade away because the developer found something else to do with his/her life...

Xfce and lxde/lxqt apps might occupy a sort of middle ground.

Shame utilities like Clipit that have really done well but no longer are being maintained are finally starting to break sad

Yes I think that might be the way to go. Perhaps will try out some of these utilities from xfce and LXQt to see what's good and what's not. I do hope the Qt licensing situation does get resolved as many Qt based utilities are pretty good.

I liked K3b from KDE a lot but it pulls in a LOT of the KDE desktop components. for example.

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#9 2020-05-04 02:19:49

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^Yes I just took the KDE dependencies and installed k3b - no lack of disk space at the moment. (Extra daemons are to be avoided as much as possible though.)
But that's not something you'd want to recommend for BL out of the box.

It really looks like a small setup like BL has to choose between GTK and Qt to avoid a lot of wasteful duplication of libraries. Qt actually looks promising but, at the moment at least, there seems to be a lot more choice of GTK apps.


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#10 2020-05-04 02:28:18

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

^Yes I just took the KDE dependencies and installed k3b - no lack of disk space at the moment. (Extra daemons are to be avoided as much as possible though.)
But that's not something you'd want to recommend for BL out of the box.

It really looks like a small setup like BL has to choose between GTK and Qt to avoid a lot of wasteful duplication of libraries. Qt actually looks promising but, at the moment at least, there seems to be a lot more choice of GTK apps.

Yes that's true there's more GTK+ apps than Qt based ones and if you already have KDE installed then installing k3b doesn't install too much more. I had a spare disk to play with KDE and it seems to be bigger memory and resource hog nowadays.

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#11 2020-05-04 02:58:47

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

I use GTK based BunsenLabs so installing k3b did pull in a lot of extra stuff. I just gritted my teeth and put up with it.

But lxqt seems to be showing it's possible to have a qt-based system without pulling in KDE (which has always been heavy on resources I think, although @hhh and @twoion have both reported good things about the recent Plasma desktops).


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#12 2020-05-04 03:03:55

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

I use GTK based BunsenLabs so installing k3b did pull in a lot of extra stuff. I just gritted my teeth and put up with it.

But lxqt seems to be showing it's possible to have a qt-based system without pulling in KDE (which has always been heavy on resources I think, although @hhh and @twoion have both reported good things about the recent Plasma desktops).

The current LXqt seems to use xfwm4 as default WM but you can use openbox if you wish for the WM. There's the Qt versions of pcmanfm, obconf and friends.

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#13 2020-05-04 11:53:20

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

What's a good site to know about LXQt? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt doesn't seem that active.

Sorry about that!

https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/0.15.0

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#14 2020-05-05 03:02:07

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^ Right, while the LXQt release info on GitHub is up to date, the code is not.
https://lxqt.github.io/
It seems to have moved to the Debian Salsa server:
https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team


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#15 2020-05-05 19:16:54

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

I use either clipit or parcellite.
Both still work OK on my simple Openbox Archlinux. Both haven't seen much development recently, but that doesn't mean either is deprecated. I wonder what that statement is based on?
In any case you might want to check out parcellite. It's almost exactly like clipit.


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#16 2020-05-06 01:22:06

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^Clipit is a fork of parcellite, supposed to have added some features and fixed some bugs.
Neither are deprecated as far as I can tell, but neither seem to be in active development.

Another one to check out: gpaste
It claims to be "for GNOME" but doesn't have many gnomeish dependencies.

And copyq might be OK, but uses qt libraries.


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#17 2020-05-07 06:36:56

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^ gpaste is very GNOMEish - sluggish, stupidly unintuitive keyboard unfriendly UI, yet weirdly complex; I could not make sense of it after 5min. And while it claims to have a systray icon it did not appear on my tint2 panel and there's no ui setting to explicitely activate it.
Uninstalled.

copyq, otoh, looks interesting. It tries to do too much IMO, but most features can be deactivated, and it's blazing fast after using gpaste!

All in all I really don't see any reason to switch from clipit/parcellite.


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#18 2020-05-21 13:05:08

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Hey guys,

busenlabs lithium just told me (via popup after login) that clipit is deprecated and was replaced by diodon for my convenience, which i might be ok with if and when diodon would save anything at all. It does not.
Reverting stuff to normal seems impossible because removing diodon will remove clipit as well...
What is up there?
I for my part am not conviced!  wink

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#19 2020-05-21 19:19:47

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

I did not got  diodon installed when upgrading tody. Schecked on 3 boxes.

On my old IBM TP43, I installed it when discussion about it came up. Did not liked it and made an uninstall. But that should not make any diffennce if it was set up for installation...

On the TP43 (i386), I did not import settings after reboot. Run "bl-setup --refresh" manualey. Noting to import related to diodon.

The two other boxes (amd64), are not yet rebooted.

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#20 2020-05-21 19:20:20

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Fat fingers, pardon.

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#21 2020-05-22 01:09:05

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Naik wrote:

busenlabs lithium just told me (via popup after login) that clipit is deprecated and was replaced by diodon...

Sorry, this is not our doing. We haven't touched clipit in any way - I've no idea where that popup is coming from.


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#22 2020-05-22 01:13:40

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

I've been using xfce4-clipman here for a while now with no problems.


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#23 2020-05-22 06:32:49

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^ does it work without the xfce4-panel?

BTW, I think the aggravation about clipit and/or parcellite being "deprecated" is improper. Those aren't net-facing applications in need of constant auditing/updating (just like openbox itself).
All clipboard managers have a very specific vulnerability if you store passwords in them AND your computer is open to other people, but I don't think an app update can deal with it because it is inherent to what the app does. Nevertheless this problem has been partly tackled with regular expressions for both clipit and parcellite; not very useful for passwords, but beyond that it would require very complex extra code to filter those out.


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#24 2020-05-22 06:50:02

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

I was getting a little flakiness with Ctrl+x cuttings being dropped sometimes, and it seems to have stopped since I switched from clipit to xfce4-clipman. And, no, it doesn't require xfce4-panel, just a systray.


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#25 2020-05-22 22:59:54

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:
Naik wrote:

busenlabs lithium just told me (via popup after login) that clipit is deprecated and was replaced by diodon...

Sorry, this is not our doing. We haven't touched clipit in any way - I've no idea where that popup is coming from.

Sorry for getting noisy here! I found out this happened when I integrated the Kali-linux repository for the sake of kali-meta-peckages.
This was a bad idea anyways.. so never mind.

Anyways I would vote for staying with clipit as I happen to be here once since diodon seems not store the history after reboot or did I do something wrong?
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