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#126 2020-09-27 08:01:53

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

^The only thing I noticed on default Buster was that the upgrade warned of a new repo channel version number or something, then it installed a new kernel. After that, 'sudo apt --purge autoremove' removed an old kernel, but that still left the new one and the two most recent older ones. A clean upgrade for me, no manual config editing was needed.

I love Debian stable and Lithium. Small wonder MX Linux is #1 on DistroWatch, it's Xfce on Debian stable with a large repo of updated/backported packages.

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#127 2020-09-27 11:53:53

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^ & ^^ My upgrade went smoothly too. I guess you mean this message?

Repository 'https://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease' changed its 'Version' value from '10.5' to '10.6'

Apart from the kernel, I had mostly a lot of qt library upgrades. No questions asked. smile


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#128 2020-09-27 13:58:06

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

hhh wrote:

^Small wonder MX Linux is #1 on DistroWatch, it's Xfce on Debian stable with a large repo of updated/backported packages.

...a large repo of updated/backported packages.

What he said.

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#129 2020-09-27 17:48:39

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@johnraff, that was the message, thanks.

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#130 2020-09-29 05:19:41

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Cinnamon for Debian – imminent removal from testing
https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/09/ … m-testing/


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#131 2020-09-30 00:17:45

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

Cinnamon for Debian – imminent removal from testing
https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/09/ … m-testing/

Hopefully someone will take Cinnamon and also needs updates to some dependencies (that may also be getting the boot). Seems Cinnamon's gotten pretty popular but aren't many using Mate instead?


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#132 2020-12-17 07:23:57

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Debian devs considering future of i386 support.

Debian-release mailing list:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-release … 00139.html

Debian-user ML:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/20 … 00583.html


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#133 2020-12-17 10:43:54

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I was reading GTK4 was released, GTK2 is EOL. Not sure if that matters to BL but figured I’d bring it up smile

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#134 2020-12-17 19:40:38

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cloverskull wrote:

GTK2 is EOL.

Link please?


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#135 2020-12-17 21:38:15

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@ohnonot - https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= … 0-Released

Looks like GTK2 will receive one more point release with no further support to follow.

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#136 2020-12-17 21:47:27

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

"GTK 2 has reached the end of its life. We will do one final 2.x release in the coming days, and we encourage everybody to port their GTK 2 applications to GTK 3 or 4."

https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/


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#137 2020-12-18 02:30:52

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I also saw the GTK 4.0 news today. I assume that almost no apps have been ported to it yet except for the GNOME apps in the upcoming GNOME 40 release, due in March or so...

https://wiki.gnome.org/Forty

March is after the soft-freeze of Bullseye, so no way is GNOME 40 making it in and GTK 4 should be barely an issue in BL Beryllium.

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#138 2020-12-18 17:42:45

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Thanks cloverskull & rbh.
Sorry to insist, but there's been a lot of hyperbole about this, so I wanted to make sure it's not another dud.

So, GTK 4 is finally coming! It's been in the works for long enough!


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#139 2020-12-19 05:01:21

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

hhh wrote:

I also saw the GTK 4.0 news today. I assume that almost no apps have been ported to it yet except for the GNOME apps in the upcoming GNOME 40 release, due in March or so...

https://wiki.gnome.org/Forty

March is after the soft-freeze of Bullseye, so no way is GNOME 40 making it in and GTK 4 should be barely an issue in BL Beryllium.

Perhaps for Beryllium, try to look for GTK3 based apps for the default install?


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#140 2020-12-21 04:56:46

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Perhaps for Beryllium, try to look for GTK3 based apps for the default install?

Most of it already is. Simulate removing libgtk2.0-0 to see what is what. Here's mine...

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  arandr* arc-theme* ardour* audacious* audacious-plugins* audacity*
  bunsen-themes* calf-plugins* fbxkb* filezilla* gigolo* gimp* gimp-gmic*
  gimp-plugin-registry* gmrun* gparted* gpicview* gtk2-engines-murrine*
  guitarix* guitarix-lv2* hardinfo* hexchat* inkscape* libaudgui5* libexo-1-0*
  libgimp2.0* libglade2-0* libgtk2.0-0* libgtkmm-2.4-1v5* libgtkspell0*
  libgxw0* libgxwmm0* libkeybinder0* libreoffice-gtk2* libsuil-0-0*
  libwxgtk3.0-0v5* libxfce4ui-1-0* lxappearance* lxtask* nitrogen* obmenu*
  oomox* python-glade2* python-gtk2* python-keybinder* python-notify*
  qt5-style-plugins* ristretto* spotify-client* tint2* xbindkeys-config*
  xfburn*

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#141 2020-12-21 07:36:14

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^Short list but includes some pretty important stuff.


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#142 2020-12-21 23:31:14

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

hhh wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:

Perhaps for Beryllium, try to look for GTK3 based apps for the default install?

Most of it already is. Simulate removing libgtk2.0-0 to see what is what. Here's mine...

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  arandr* arc-theme* ardour* audacious* audacious-plugins* audacity*
  bunsen-themes* calf-plugins* fbxkb* filezilla* gigolo* gimp* gimp-gmic*
  gimp-plugin-registry* gmrun* gparted* gpicview* gtk2-engines-murrine*
  guitarix* guitarix-lv2* hardinfo* hexchat* inkscape* libaudgui5* libexo-1-0*
  libgimp2.0* libglade2-0* libgtk2.0-0* libgtkmm-2.4-1v5* libgtkspell0*
  libgxw0* libgxwmm0* libkeybinder0* libreoffice-gtk2* libsuil-0-0*
  libwxgtk3.0-0v5* libxfce4ui-1-0* lxappearance* lxtask* nitrogen* obmenu*
  oomox* python-glade2* python-gtk2* python-keybinder* python-notify*
  qt5-style-plugins* ristretto* spotify-client* tint2* xbindkeys-config*
  xfburn*

I have a similar list doing a simulated removal of libgtk2.0-0, and hopefully these can be migrated to gtk3 or suitable replacements found for these programs for those that can't be migrated to gtk3. Gtk2's impending deprecation will mean moving to address this in BL where possible where resources and time permit.

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#143 2020-12-22 04:42:50

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^I don't think GTK2 is going to disappear for a while yet - anyway Debian Bullseye still has the GTK2 libraries: https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/gtk+2.0

Migration of the above packages might or might not happen, depending on the motivation of their developers. It's certainly not something BunsenLabs would ever take on. More likely is that we'll some day have to search for replacements, but that's a task well down the road, I think. (Up till now we've been trying to resist the GTK3 switch as hard as we can - it's not necessarily a plus for all users.)


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#144 2020-12-22 06:33:43

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

I don't think GTK2 is going to disappear for a while yet

Yep, esp. on Debian!

Also keep in mind that (unlike e.g. Qt) GTK2 is "just" a UI toolkit and to keep on using it does not pose a security risk or some such. As long as it works, no problem.


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#145 2020-12-22 20:29:22

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

ohnonot wrote:
johnraff wrote:

I don't think GTK2 is going to disappear for a while yet

Yep, esp. on Debian!

Also keep in mind that (unlike e.g. Qt) GTK2 is "just" a UI toolkit and to keep on using it does not pose a security risk or some such. As long as it works, no problem.

Makes sense. As long as there's no so-called bit rot then why not keep them if they work?


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#146 2021-01-15 04:34:52

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Re: News that might affect BunsenLabs

Bullseye Freeze Policy:
https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html

Mostly for developers, but some bits of interest to us too, eg:

2021-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze

Packages that are not in bullseye at the start of the soft freeze will not be in the release.

and

Please note that packages that are in bullseye at the start of the soft freeze can still be removed if they are buggy.

So nothing that's not in Testing on 12th Feb. will be coming in Bullseye. (I don't think that rules out possible package upgrades though.)


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