Beryllium countdown

hhh · 2021-06-20 05:53:35

Sorry that I always do this, but here's a master thread to pull the ends together, details can go to their own threads.

My issue is theming, of course...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium … e-140g.jpg

Ignore the purple, that's a shadow from a poor picture. It's silvery-white and translucent, almost transparent...

https://periodictable.com/Samples/004.1/s13.JPG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium … Properties

A perfect opportunity to return to #! black and white, or a subtle inference of it?

hhh · 2021-06-20 06:38:56

Right, so nothing but a rough GTK theme. A launch point.

And I am out of practice, it took me 15 minutes before I just manually edited user-dirs.dirs to get these glorious gnome2 icons in all there olive goodness. How does removing xdg-user-dirs not work? Renaming the file? Anything else I tried? No, Debian wants me to manually delete "Documents, Downloads, Music", etc... from the file. Whatever, here it is!

And I'm off of Cinnamon for a couple of months. I forgot how fun this is, messing with shit.

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johnraff · 2021-06-22 06:02:48

Picked out a selection from my Beryllium to-do list. Omitting little things, things that nobody else but me cares about that much, and things that could probably be left till post-release (quotes mean it's someone else's words):

1) BL menu search is confusing

2) Power manager / tint2 icon issue!!
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7327

3) libinput instead of evdev driver?

4) Easy to add this: "To help with diagnosing problems add Quick System Info like MX Linux uses.
It is a menu shortcut for inxi -Fxrz and all the user needs to do then is paste the results between code tags."
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 74#p112674

4a) https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 91#p107091
"It would be nice to have mdadm in the live 64 bit image.
I have software raid both on server and desktop.
when in need of booting rescue image, I can not use Bunsenlab."

5) Time to consider setting
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=BunsenLabs ?
I've had this set for a while with no apparent ill-effects. Maybe whatever it was meant to work round has gone away, we'll no longer have exo-launch to worry about, and it might make some other system info scripts happier.

6) rename bunsen-keyring package to bunsen-archive-keyring?
"lintian error
E: bunsen-keyring: package-installs-apt-keyring etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/bunsen-keyring.gpg
Packages whose names end in -apt-source or -archive-keyring are
permitted to install such files."

7) This is a huge list in itself:
DOCUMENTATION:

blob:
Add BLOB Help menu file? Or tutorial?
already in "getting started"

restore comments to tint2 files

Links to Forum guides in menu?

Introduction to the Bunsenlabs Lithium Desktop (includes BLOB)
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6461

Jgmenu guide
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6512
---
note about the two commented-out menu items
(dropbox and Choose Language,bl-setlocale)
---
note about the new geany Build menu items (JC)
---
guide to changing window manager (JC)
---
note about enabling steppers (JC)
---
note about restoring the 4 tint2 launchers
---
note about enabling conky weather script
---
note about the bunsen calendar
---
How to tweak bl-* executables (copy to ~/bin, then edit)
---
and other tweaks in a forum post
---
write helpfile for bunsenlabs autostart (JC)
---
Work on docs:
"My biggest takeaway was that we really need to improve our documentation
so people can find all the things they say aren't there."
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 906#p79906

8) bl-welcome:
fix for no-network installs:
bl-welcome handle cases where sources.list is completely messed
eg install done offline
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-ne … /issues/12

9) bl-user-setup: add some diff function

10) @hhh? Make hi-dpi theme?

11) https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 09#p108109
"Package hw-probe, would be nice to have installed as standard. Also included in CD/DVD."

12) "simplescreenrecorder - to replace gtk-recordmydesktop (as no longer in debian)
vokoscreen-NG - another screen recorder worthy to replace gtk-recordmydesktop"

13) Add window-snapping script?
Damo's or leonardo.marco's?
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 091#p62091
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 870#p82870
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 875#p82875
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 46#p100346

14) https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6686
" think it could be a good idea to include xfce4-appfinder in default installation.
It could be a good help for new users to find correct app to use.
Maybe there should be a list of most important default installed applications
with short description? (something to ponder for next release after Lithium)"

Last edited by johnraff (2021-06-22 07:32:51)

hhh · 2021-07-24 01:06:15

I'll push some themes (and @bronto, push your walls), but what do we need to tie up?

johnraff · 2021-07-24 08:17:09

We already have this thread, though, so merging...

My TODO list above is quite long, but only a few things there need significant work.

There are a couple of package substitution suggestions that I'll post a separate thread for to get feedback from you other devs (nothing controversial).

I'll try and clean the list up and post a new one.

Last edited by johnraff (2021-07-24 08:21:05)

brontosaurusrex · 2021-07-24 09:37:49

I will collect some, than we can select which are functional enough? (walls that is)

malm · 2021-08-16 05:21:55

Note from hoas on package required to build Be

https://forum.archlabslinux.com/t/bunse … nt/2778/92

johnraff · 2021-08-16 06:55:33

^thanks!
(I'll create an account over at AL - it's close enough to BL that their discussions might well have other useful info for us.)

I'll keep an eye open for that squashfs-tools issue when I start doing Beryllium iso builds. It would be nice not to be obliged to include it in the user system though - not that it's such a huge package, really...

johnraff · 2021-08-17 06:04:42

Conky and tint2 scripts got some attention:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 61#p116661

If that looks OK I'll release new bunsen-conky bunsen-configs bunsen-utilities and bunsen-pipemenus packages.

bl-user-setup got some improvements too.

I still have a bit of work to do on BLOB, then there's bunsen-welcome.

Then a lot of fiddly little things, many of them just mean a quick post here to get a yes/no from The Team.

Then start iso building, hoping that the latest live-build has no unpleasant surprises for us.

nobody · 2021-08-20 17:04:30

I have started populating the beryllium repo: https://www.bunsenlabs.org/repoidx.html#beryllium with "my" packages. Initial builds. keyring & os-release.

Todo: update python-apt-templates for bullseye/beryllium

Changes: as probably mentioned earlier, I've dropped the pointless point releaes from the distro version in bunsen-os-release (lsb-release, /etc/os-release). The version number will always just be 11.

Do we have a preliminary package list I can use to see if all packages build? Just build everything in John's repo?

And BTW, after a 2 year hiatus, recently tint2 v17 has been released. I would not update the version in lithium from 16.7 anymore because we don't want to fix old bugs; though bullseye has only 16.7 --- do we want to decide if we move tint2 into v17 or just offer it as a backport?

johnraff · 2021-08-21 01:28:46

Thanks! All sounds good.

nobody wrote:

Do we have a preliminary package list I can use to see if all packages build? Just build everything in John's repo?

Basically, yes. Or just build all the GitHub source packages that have Beryllium branches. You can use bl-pkg-versions from the Beryllium bunsen-utilities to see all the versions in GitHub and on the Apt repo. Anyway, it looks like this atm:

john@lithium:~$ bash git/bunsen/bunsen-utilities/bin/bl-pkg-versions beryllium-dev
Source Repo                    apt version            git version           

bunsen-common                  11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-configs                 11.3-1                 11.3-1                
bunsen-conky                   11.1-1                 11.1-1                
bunsen-docs                    11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-exit                    11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-faenza-icon-theme       11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-fortune                 11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-images                  11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-images-extra            11.0-1                 11.0-1                
[b]bunsen-keyring                 2020.10.10+bl11-1~dev1 2020.10.10+bl11-1[/b]     
bunsen-meta-all                11.0-2                 11.0-2                
bunsen-welcome                 11.0.1-1               11.0.1-1              
bunsen-paper-icon-theme        11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-papirus-icon-theme      11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-pipemenus               11.2-1                 11.2-1                
bunsen-themes                  11.0-1                 11.0-1                
bunsen-thunar                  11.0-2                 11.0-2                
bunsen-utilities               11.1-2                 11.1-2

Bunsen-keyring I just migrated as-is (entry in debian/changelog) to make installations smoother. It should get automatically replaced by your version.

NOTE if you do upload the Beryllium packages to the regular BL repo I'll start applying our previous policy of tagging new releases. I might push new versions to the experimental repo before that for final testing - please wait for the tag before pushing them out to our regular users. The current packages are all OK to use though - would it be best if I tagged them all now?

And BTW, after a 2 year hiatus, recently tint2 v17 has been released. I would not update the version in lithium from 16.7 anymore because we don't want to fix old bugs; though bullseye has only 16.7 --- do we want to decide if we move tint2 into v17 or just offer it as a backport?

I'd be happy with either of those options - I guess v17 offers some significant improvements? As long as there are no important bugs we could ship it as default I guess - we've done that with tint2 in the past.

@hhh? @damo?

nobody · 2021-08-21 11:01:55

johnraff wrote:

And BTW, after a 2 year hiatus, recently tint2 v17 has been released. I would not update the version in lithium from 16.7 anymore because we don't want to fix old bugs; though bullseye has only 16.7 --- do we want to decide if we move tint2 into v17 or just offer it as a backport?
I'd be happy with either of those options - I guess v17 offers some significant improvements? As long as there are no important bugs we could ship it as default I guess - we've done that with tint2 in the past.
@hhh? @damo?

2021-05-29 17.0.1
- Fixes:
  - Crash on panel cleanup in single-monitor execp (issue #801)
2021-04-18 17.0
- Fixes:
  - Crash when a window icon is large (issue #786) (santouits)
  - Minute clock doesn't update (issue #786)
  - Scrollbars in tint2conf (issue #796)
  - Preserve item order when skipping executors (issue #799)
  - Image memory leak (issues #704, #721) (Adam M. Trofa)
  - Incorrect timeout microsecond computation leading to high CPU usage (issue #800)
- Enhancements:
  - Port tint2conf to gtk3 (issue #380)
  - execp_monitor config (issue #799)
  - Improved executor examples (Nikita Zlobin)

https://gitlab.com/o9000/tint2/-/blob/master/ChangeLog

johnraff · 2021-08-22 01:18:20

^They look like worthwhile improvements. More fixes than enhancements = stability.

johnraff · 2021-08-22 01:42:07

I've answered there to some degree, but I don't know if you'd like to add a comment to this question about version numbers?
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7765

hhh · 2021-08-23 06:08:48

nobody wrote:

And BTW, after a 2 year hiatus, recently tint2 v17 has been released.... @hhh? @damo?

I think I've been quite clear for a long time now... I love the #! legacy but we should move from tint2 to xfce4-panel.

-edit- GUI interface, left-panel friendly. I'd be glad to post a tutorial for the nOObs and the ignorant.

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hhh · 2021-08-23 06:14:00

^ Not for Beryllium though, tint2 and patch it as you can.

-edit- What's the next element? Because I hate trying to spell beryllium.

Boron? Thank the maker!

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hhh · 2021-08-23 06:21:42

Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, flourine, neon, sodium...

Thank the maker I'll be dead before we reach magnesium. I'll shoot myself in the back yard by then.

johnraff · 2021-08-24 01:39:58

hhh wrote:

I think I've been quite clear for a long time now... I love the #! legacy but we should move from tint2 to xfce4-panel.
-edit- GUI interface, left-panel friendly. I'd be glad to post a tutorial for the nOObs and the ignorant.

Yes indeed, your preference for xfce4-panel has long been clear. We could do a poll or survey or open a thread, but my guess is that more of our users would like to keep tint2:
*) it's prettier (I've done my best with x-p but even the latest version didn't quite get there)
*) offers more advanced functions and extensibility
*) o9000 is a long-standing forum member - that shouldn't count but I think it does a bit

OTOH xfce4-panel would integrate better with xfce4-power-manager

But... how about if we also shipped config files for xfce4-panel so that if a user installed it they'd get a nice BL panel out of the box? We do this for rxvt-unicode and I think it works quite well.

damo · 2021-08-24 07:13:11

Tint2 has a ton of functionality, and is enormously configurable. It is a big element of Bunsenlabs, and I will always want to use it.

xfce4 apps and widgets may well be very mature and supported, but I hate the looks! Nice idea to provide config(s) though.

hhh · 2021-08-25 02:40:47

johnraff wrote:

But... how about if we also shipped config files for xfce4-panel so that if a user installed it they'd get a nice BL panel out of the box? We do this for rxvt-unicode and I think it works quite well.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. You have time to do this? I can do the config if one of my earlier ones isn't sufficient.

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