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#851 2019-11-22 17:43:48

orionH
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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

MALsPa wrote:

Edit: Don't recall seeing this other thread: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=4334

Check here. https://forum.archlabslinux.com/t/sharp … ux/3712/97

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#852 2019-11-22 18:28:57

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Ah. Thanks.

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#853 2020-01-07 01:06:55

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

One of the strangest things recently is BSD OS's and Linux distros switching their bases to BSD or Linux.  Trident went linux and Hyperbola just went BSD.  Kind of an interesting turn of events.

Edit: Hyperbola going OBSD makes way more sense from a FOSS purity standpoint but then again it bites the copy-left hand that fed it (RMS Quivers something weird sounding).  Trident doesn't really have the religious conflict there since it was always a permissive licensed shituation and followed HEAD/CURRENT back when it was under Chris Moore's leadership to give better hardware support which the linux kernel now does better.

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#854 2020-01-07 12:53:34

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

^ It will be interesting when Trident has beta releases out, have read it will be available with zfs on root which should be a game changer.

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#855 2020-01-07 13:37:35

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

clusterF wrote:

^ It will be interesting when Trident has beta releases out, have read it will be available with zfs on root which should be a game changer.

Trident beta showed up Jan 6.


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#856 2020-01-07 13:45:25

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

PackRat wrote:
clusterF wrote:

^ It will be interesting when Trident has beta releases out, have read it will be available with zfs on root which should be a game changer.

Trident beta showed up Jan 6.

Thanks for checking. Might be distro hopping over the weekend wink


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#857 2020-01-07 14:22:46

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

I just tried the Lumina desktop from the Void repos. Wouldn't decorate the windows, but everything else appeared to be working. Just a quick look, didn't put much effort into getting it all configured.


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#858 2020-01-07 20:37:14

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Just tried Arch with Gnome 3.34.

2 releases missed and so much good stuff went into that DE.

It's RAM heavy (900MB plain DE) but it's smoother than ever (GNOME smooth definition is a quirky one).

Really love the usability behind that paradigm, softwares are simple to use, without any kind of overcapacities.

It works and for now it's all I demand from GNOME.

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#859 2020-01-08 16:18:18

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Bridouz wrote:

GNOME smooth definition is a quirky one).

This helps make it a little less quirky; https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/277/impatience/

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#860 2020-01-09 02:00:22

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@Bridouz, I also enjoy Gnome on my Fedora 31 notebook PC.

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#861 2020-01-09 02:45:04

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

^^^
^
And i solus gnome on my laptop (but i'd swap it out for solus kde if it broke).

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#862 2020-01-09 11:22:50

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

PackRat wrote:

I just tried the Lumina desktop from the Void repos. Wouldn't decorate the windows, but everything else appeared to be working. Just a quick look, didn't put much effort into getting it all configured.

I think i will wait until they have legacy boot figured out as currently only efi is working. Im still using old machines that are only bios/mbr enabled.
https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10788

Have you the ability to install different desktop environments and window managers?


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#863 2020-01-20 12:34:47

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Voidlinux is saying goodbye to PGP to verify their images. Considering the issues with PGP key distribution these days, probably a good idea.

https://voidlinux.org/news/2020/01/new-images.html

edit: some interesting reading on openbsd's signify.

https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan-signify.html

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#864 2020-01-20 13:57:31

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

I read something a few months ago that out-and-out stated that it's not safe to use PGP or GNUPG for anything, anymore. It seemed to be a reliable source, too. I'll see if I can find a link.

Later - Sorry, apparently I didn't save the link.

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#865 2020-01-20 14:09:28

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Like this link:


Latacora


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#866 2020-01-20 18:36:21

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

clusterF wrote:
PackRat wrote:

I just tried the Lumina desktop from the Void repos. Wouldn't decorate the windows, but everything else appeared to be working. Just a quick look, didn't put much effort into getting it all configured.

I think i will wait until they have legacy boot figured out as currently only efi is working. Im still using old machines that are only bios/mbr enabled.
https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10788

Have you the ability to install different desktop environments and window managers?

Sure, I just install the one I want to use, either from the Void repo, or a dev's git page, and then edit my ~/.xinitrc file so I can launch it on login. I don't use a display manager like lightdm any more; when I did, I just had to make sure there was a /usr/share/xsession/*.desktop file.

Any distro should allow for that; or is there something else you had in mind when you asked that question?

I'm actually more of a window manager hopper these days; not a whole lot of distro hopping anymore. Hopped over to ArchLabs shortly after it came out - that was the last disto hop I've done. Nate is now working on a new dwm port so I'll check that out when he's done - a win-win.

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#867 2020-01-20 18:51:39

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Thanks, @sector11. I think that may be the same article I read, before.

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#868 2020-01-20 23:16:46

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

PackRat wrote:
clusterF wrote:
PackRat wrote:

I just tried the Lumina desktop from the Void repos. Wouldn't decorate the windows, but everything else appeared to be working. Just a quick look, didn't put much effort into getting it all configured.

I think i will wait until they have legacy boot figured out as currently only efi is working. Im still using old machines that are only bios/mbr enabled.
https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10788

Have you the ability to install different desktop environments and window managers?

Sure, I just install the one I want to use, either from the Void repo, or a dev's git page, and then edit my ~/.xinitrc file so I can launch it on login. I don't use a display manager like lightdm any more; when I did, I just had to make sure there was a /usr/share/xsession/*.desktop file.

Any distro should allow for that; or is there something else you had in mind when you asked that question?

I'm actually more of a window manager hopper these days; not a whole lot of distro hopping anymore. Hopped over to ArchLabs shortly after it came out - that was the last disto hop I've done. Nate is now working on a new dwm port so I'll check that out when he's done - a win-win.

Just thought it might have been locked down to only use what trident provides. Unheard of in the linux world i suppose so bit of a derp moment from yours truly.

Ill have to check out archlabs dwm when its available.


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#869 2020-01-20 23:22:41

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

ratcheer wrote:

I read something a few months ago that out-and-out stated that it's not safe to use PGP or GNUPG for anything, anymore. It seemed to be a reliable source, too. I'll see if I can find a link.

Later - Sorry, apparently I didn't save the link.

Yes i read something similar to what sector posted up mid 2018 concerning pgp hackage.

Sector11 wrote:

Like this link:


Latacora

Thanks Sector, will have a read of that today.


I think this link is what i read back in 2018.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/wh … -be-fixed/


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#870 2020-01-20 23:30:14

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

clusterF wrote:

Just thought it might have been locked down to only use what trident provides. Unheard of in the linux world i suppose so bit of a derp moment from yours truly.

Actually, that might be true about Trident; I didn't actually try it (I don't think it's a live session). I just saw that Lumina is now available in the Void repos so I gave it a quick spin.


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#871 2020-01-22 07:40:07

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

clusterF wrote:

Considering the issues with PGP key distribution

I wasn't aware. Thanks for pointing it out to us.

Sector11 wrote:

Thanks for looking that up S11, but I must say: what an opinionated piece of blogging.
Yet another article that complains that some piece of FOSS is too complex and has bad UX and therefore needs to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch.  roll

Look at the headings of the main text:

Absurd Complexity
Swiss Army Knife Design
Mired In Backwards Compatibility
Obnoxious UX
Long-Term Secrets     <= maybe relevant
Incoherent Identity
Leaks Metadata         <= relevant
No Forward Secrecy           <= relevant
Clumsy Keys
Negotiation     <= maybe relevant
Janky Code

What is actually relevant to security here, and what is just general complainerism. I didn't read it all (I wouldn't - not another rant like that) - but judging from the heading the signal/noise ratio is less than 50%.
Sorry, $RANDOM_BLOGGER, this article could have been more concise.

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#872 2020-01-22 10:26:12

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

ohnonot wrote:

What is actually relevant to security here, and what is just general complainerism. I didn't read it all (I wouldn't - not another rant like that) - but judging from the heading the signal/noise ratio is less than 50%.
Sorry, $RANDOM_BLOGGER, this article could have been more concise.

to add my humble impression: the question would be is there any alternative jet? when it comes to use this or write your own tool from scratch i know what this noob is to be heading for...  sad

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#873 2020-01-24 14:41:57

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

WattOS is planned to be reborn as...

https://www.viaos.io/

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