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#1 2019-08-14 16:42:12

Colonel Panic
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Certain distros failing to boot properly

Dear All,

I keep getting the same problem when I try to boot up some distros’ installation DVDs. I get a message like;

Can not mount /dev/loop/0 (live/medium/filesystem.squashfs)

and then it drops me down to the (initramfs) prompt.

It’s remarkably consistent across certain distros; for example it never seems to happen with Sparky's 4 series editions, but always does with the 5 series.

Has anyone got any idea what is happening, and how (if at all) I might be able to fix it while it's happening? Or is it unfixable, and I need to throw the affected DVDs in the rubbish bin and start again with another one (or just stick with ones that do work, such as Bunsen)?

Thanks in advance,


CP .

P.S. With hindsight, I could and maybe should have posted this in the CrunchBang subforum, as this happened with my copy of CrunchBang PlusPlus 10.1 (the most recent version).

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#2 2019-08-14 18:00:57

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

Colonel Panic wrote:

throw the affected DVDs in the rubbish bin.


Might want to try USB installs. I recently converted, and am well served.
No CD/DVDs to buy and no trash. Environmentally friendly too.
Sorry, I don't have a better answer to your question.

8bit

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#3 2019-08-14 18:05:39

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

Have you tried to burn a new copy of one of the distros DVDs in question?
Exact same .iso, new DVD?

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#4 2019-08-14 18:24:58

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

eight.bit.al wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:

throw the affected DVDs in the rubbish bin.


Might want to try USB installs. I recently converted, and am well served.
No CD/DVDs to buy and no trash. Environmentally friendly too.
Sorry, I don't have a better answer to your question.

8bit

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Thanks for replying.

Yes, I might try that if I can find a spare USB pendrive (just thrown one out as it didn't work any more).

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#5 2019-08-14 18:25:51

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

ohnonot wrote:

Have you tried to burn a new copy of one of the distros DVDs in question?
Exact same .iso, new DVD?

Thanks for replying.

Yes I have (with CrunchBang Monara) but unfortunately with the same result.

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#6 2019-08-15 06:30:05

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

Would something like this work in Debian, i.e. unpack the squashfs file manually from a file on a partition and then do a manual install? If so, then I wouldn't need to use a USB drive or a DVD-R.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/437880/ … -directory

If not, don't worry; Bunsen works on my system and there are other distros I can use too (especially ones based on Debian Jessie and Slackware, though Siduction also works well).

Thanks anyway,

CP .

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#7 2019-08-15 11:43:54

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

Colonel Panic wrote:

then do a manual install?

Interesting question. Just what are the tings an installer does? Maybe start here:

What is Calamares

Further reading.

and

The Qt Installer Framework

To get an idea of what it takes.

8bit

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#8 2019-08-15 11:49:09

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

eight.bit.al wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:

then do a manual install?

Interesting question. Just what are the things an installer does? Maybe start here:

What is Calamares

Further reading.

and

The Qt Installer Framework

To get an idea of what it takes.

8bit

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#9 2019-08-15 19:10:14

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

eight.bit.al wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:

then do a manual install?

Interesting question. Just what are the tings an installer does? Maybe start here:

What is Calamares

Further reading.

and

The Qt Installer Framework

To get an idea of what it takes.

8bit

"I'm living so far beyond my income that we may almost be said to be living apart."
    - e e cummings (1894-1962)

Thanks. I've had a look at the links, but am not sure what you're suggesting or saying here. Are you saying, install calamares in Bunsen, say, and then use it to install another distro from its files on a folder within Bunsen, on a hard drive?

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#10 2019-08-15 22:15:28

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

Colonel Panic wrote:

am not sure what you're suggesting

I'm not sure exactly what it amounts to, but if you are thinking of doing a manual
install, you'll need to perform the functions the installer normally does;
hardware detection, screen resolution, install GRUB/GRUB2, partitioning, etc.

I would first learn just what those functions are by studying what installers do.
Hence the links to a couple of installer frameworks to study.

Just extracting and copying a squashfs to a drive isn't going to make it boot-able,
or have it know whats going on when it 'wakes up'.

For example:
ect/fstab has to list where the swap partition is (amongst other filesystems), the
installer normally writes that info into ect/fstab.

I have not thought about this subject before, so I may not have it exactly correct.
This just off the top of my head. Thx for asking, because a good way to really learn
something is to try and explain it to someone else.

8bit


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#11 2019-08-17 16:05:36

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

While I've been a distro-hopper since =~'95, I've never looked at installers.
Your question gives me something to do while I wait for lithium to drop.!

Thx.
8bit

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#12 2019-08-19 05:18:13

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

eight.bit.al wrote:

While I've been a distro-hopper since =~'95, I've never looked at installers.
Your question gives me something to do while I wait for lithium to drop.!

Thx.
8bit

"If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens?"
    - Seymour Cray (1925-1996), father of supercomputing

Edit:
P.S. Someday I'm gonna redo my website and use Juicebox to display the images

Thanks for your advice. In the end though I'm afraid I decided it was too much work to try and do it that way (and with no guarantee of success) and installed another distro instead (Emmabuntus DE-2) from a DVD.

One possibility that did occur to me though was that of using Unetbootin to install a distro from an iso to a hard drive partition instead of to a USB drive, as is usual. I had a go at doing it that way but couldn't get the distro to boot from there.

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#13 2019-08-19 13:00:16

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

If you wanted to try a fix instead of a work-around, suggest swapping hardware; a different DVD reader, attached to a different serial port on the mobo, even a different serial cable, etc. Let us know if you do, what the results were.

8bit

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#14 2019-08-19 18:08:51

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

eight.bit.al wrote:

If you wanted to try a fix instead of a work-around, suggest swapping hardware; a different DVD reader, attached to a different serial port on the mobo, even a different serial cable, etc. Let us know if you do, what the results were.

8bit

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Thanks for replying 8bit. Apart from anything else, it's cheaper to use a hard drive partition to install an iso into (using Unetbootin) than it would be to use a pendrive for the same purpose. It doesn't seem to be a simple procedure though.

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#15 2019-08-19 19:09:44

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

USB DVD drive?

8bit

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#16 2019-08-22 06:58:12

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

eight.bit.al wrote:

USB DVD drive?

8bit

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Thanks for replying 8bit. My machine already has a internal DVD drive; if it's malfunctioning (which is possible; it's an old machine), it would be cheaper to replace it with a new one than with a USB DVD drive.

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#17 2019-08-22 13:23:00

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

It just so happens I'm looking for a USB DVD burner for a tablet Since I was already searching, anyway:

Internal DVD

USB DVD

The external DVD burner would bypass the internal SATA which we don't know where the fault lies; the drive, the cable, the south bridge chipset, ... And is portable.  big_smile

Probably could get both from the same vender with free shipping. I don't know your budget or location, of course YMMV.

Curiosity would like to know where the problem is. Cheapest test to try is moving the SATA cable to another port on the mobo.

Anyway, good luck with it, hope for your success. I'm out.

8bit

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#18 2019-08-22 16:46:58

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

Thanks again for replying 8bit.

I don't know why either, it could be a number of things. It seems to me though that if the DVD drive (or cable, or chipset) was the sole cause of the problem then none of the distros I try would work, whereas some do and some don't. Bunsen works pretty well, whereas CrunchBang used to but CrunchBang Plus Plus doesn't any more.

It can be very specific too; with Sparky, as I said, all the 4 series ones work fine whereas none of the 5 series do. I'm thinking of going on the Sparky forums and asking their devs if they changed anything between the 4 series and the 5 series of the distro. My first guess would be that they changed the kernel between the two.

Thanks for your help anyway,

CP .

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#19 Yesterday 17:02:19

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Re: Certain distros failing to boot properly

For the sake of completeness:

Universal USB Installer – Easy as 1 2 3

Stupid easy, if you have a winblows box.

8bit

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