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#1 2019-08-23 12:43:36

MALsPa
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terminal emulator for lithium

I was about to post in another thread (https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=4767) but maybe that one's too outdated to resurrect...

I have no strong preference for any particular terminal emulator as the default for Lithium. I've been looking at qterminal (from LXQt) in one of my Openbox setups and I thought it might be one that folks would want to consider.

$ apt show qterminal
Package: qterminal
Version: 0.14.1-1
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Maintainer: LXQt Packaging Team <pkg-lxqt-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Installed-Size: 509 kB
Provides: x-terminal-emulator
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libqt5core5a (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.7.0), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5x11extras5 (>= 5.6.0), libqtermwidget5-0 (>= 0.14.1~), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libx11-6
Recommends: qterminal-l10n
Homepage: https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal
Tag: uitoolkit::qt
Download-Size: 138 kB
APT-Sources: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
Description: Lightweight Qt terminal emulator
 QTerminal is a lightweight terminal emulator based on QTermWidget.
 .
 Among other it features
   * Split terminals (horizontally and vertically).
   * Multiple tabs.
   * Customizable shortcuts.
   * Various color schemes.

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#2 2019-08-23 13:27:39

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

We thought about the terminal for Lithium a bit, but every time the discussion is started here it goes on endlessly because everyone has a favourite. Terminator, which CrunchBang, then BunsenLabs, have been using up to now has some nice features and a lot of fans, but it is rather slow to start up. We finally picked lxterminal because it's one of the smallest installs with few dependencies, and is quick. We figured everyone will replace it with their personal favourite anyway, so just chose something that provided the basics.

But I've just installed qterminal and it does look quite nice. Thanks for the tip!

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#3 2019-08-23 14:33:12

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

johnraff wrote:

everyone will replace it with their personal favourite anyway

So true.

Yeah, I like lxterminal. I didn't know about qterminal until recently, when I was checking out LXQt. I finally got around to replacing LXDE with LXQt in Arch, and I did a Buster installation with LXQt as well. (Seems like I never really warm up to those two DEs and I end up logging into Openbox most of the time instead with those installations.)

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#4 2019-08-23 15:16:46

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

I've pushed for a different default terminal for this release because Lithium is a quick desktop, and terminator is pretty much the slowest terminal to open, and it's slow every time.

Test it yourself via System>Edit Debian Alternatives>xxx-terminal-emulator. I'm using mate-terminal because I like its "Use colors from system theme" option, and it's way faster to open than terminator. It would be a challenge to find a terminal that opens as slowly as terminator.

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#5 2019-08-23 15:23:37

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

@ Johnraff, lxterminal is a good choice, mature and stable.

Ive used qterminal in the past and the feature set is quite good.

Brings in more deps than i would like for a terminal in a gtk setting though.I dont mind qt gui apps but would rather stick to gtk gui apps where possible.

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#6 2019-08-23 15:37:17

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

That terminator opens a bit more slowly than others doesn't bother me, because it's quite a nice terminal emulator. Anyway, obviously it's easy enough to install, for those who want it. I just wanted to mention qterminal in case anyone wanted to take a look at it. Seems to be an ok option, but I'm not pushing for it to be the default.

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#7 2019-08-23 16:55:01

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

Haha, not again!

/lurking

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#8 2019-08-23 17:16:52

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

ohnonot wrote:

Haha, not again!

/lurking

Sorry about that, definitely wasn't my intention to start any trouble here.

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#9 2019-08-23 18:00:00

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

MALsPa wrote:
ohnonot wrote:

Haha, not again!

/lurking

Sorry about that, definitely wasn't my intention to start any trouble here.

No, you didn't start it. I did when I convinced @johnraff and the rest of us boiz to consider another terminal as the default, once again.

I like lxterminal as the default, but we'll have to suffer the slings and arrows when we release our first test ISO.

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#10 2019-08-24 00:54:09

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

Sakura + tmux tongue

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#11 2019-08-24 05:44:21

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

MALsPa wrote:

Sorry about that, definitely wasn't my intention to start any trouble here.

Trouble? No. Sorry? Definitely not. I don't care, it's kinda funny.
If you're interested, I think Terminator sucks. (ducks and runs)

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#12 2019-08-24 06:14:18

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

Terminator might be like Trump in how it divides people into haters and lovers.
But anyway, as far as default terminal emulator for Lithium goes, it's lxterminal.

(gets tf out of here too)


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#13 2019-08-24 13:25:45

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

^ Terminator is bloat, just like trump, The opposition is not much better. Either way you look at it, both want endless wars (race,civil,global etc) and indentured servitude for the majority of the the worlds populations.


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#14 2019-08-24 14:10:47

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

/me makes popcorn. big_smile

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#15 2019-08-24 15:56:47

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

Lol..the old debate about terminator vs other emulators is just like politics big_smile

To each his own  cool


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#16 2019-08-24 19:37:01

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

Good, it's agreed right here and now. Lithium will use lxterminal by default, and the answer to any terminal suggestion or complaint is...

sudo apt install your_precious_terminal

Then... Main Menu>System>Edit Debian Alternatives>xxx-terminal-emulator, and select your precious terminal. Yes, my precious.

glasses

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#17 2019-08-25 01:55:46

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

hhh wrote:

Good, it's agreed right here and now. Lithium will use lxterminal by default, and the answer to any terminal suggestion or complaint is...

sudo apt install your_precious_terminal

Then... Main Menu>System>Edit Debian Alternatives>xxx-terminal-emulator, and select your precious terminal. Yes, my precious.

glasses

Nice how you put it  monkey

LXterminal isn't all that bad really and it is quite useful for the vast majority of use cases.


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#18 2019-08-25 02:54:39

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

hhh wrote:

Good, it's agreed right here and now. Lithium will use lxterminal by default, and the answer to any terminal suggestion or complaint is...

sudo apt install your_precious_terminal

This.


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#19 2019-08-25 05:26:11

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

Good you made the move away from Terminator!

If Roxterm was still under development it would be a better choice than lxterminal... (ducks and runs) big_smile

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#20 2019-08-25 15:41:12

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

johnraff wrote:
hhh wrote:

Good, it's agreed right here and now. Lithium will use lxterminal by default, and the answer to any terminal suggestion or complaint is...

sudo apt install your_precious_terminal

This.

Excellent. Lol, I had no idea that there were such strong feelings against Terminator (shrugs).

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#21 2019-08-27 18:45:14

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

A good choice for default terminal. It seems that lxterminal starts about half a second faster than terminator here on my Lithium install. And it is ok for me, but then again, I am not that picky about my black box.

Terminator is a much cooler name though.  glasses

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#22 2019-08-29 03:17:08

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

ohnonot wrote:

Good you made the move away from Terminator!

If Roxterm was still under development it would be a better choice than lxterminal... (ducks and runs) big_smile

Oh I really LOVED Roxterm...shame that there was no one offering to take it over from the original developer. Roxterm was the Swiss Army Knife of terminals smile


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#23 2019-08-29 09:53:53

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

DeepDayze wrote:
ohnonot wrote:

Good you made the move away from Terminator!

If Roxterm was still under development it would be a better choice than lxterminal... (ducks and runs) big_smile

Oh I really LOVED Roxterm...shame that there was no one offering to take it over from the original developer. Roxterm was the Swiss Army Knife of terminals smile

I think ROXTerm got picked up. It was moved to git and has seen a bit of development; mostly clearing the backlog of bug reports. It's the AUR, don't know what version is in the Debian repos.


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#24 2019-08-29 12:20:39

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

PackRat wrote:

don't know what version is in the Debian repos

Found this:

Package roxterm-gtk2

    jessie (oldoldstable) (x11): Multi-tabbed GTK+/VTE terminal emulator - GTK2 version
    2.9.5-1: amd64 armel armhf i386
    sid (unstable) (x11): Multi-tabbed GTK+/VTE terminal emulator - GTK2 version
    2.9.4-1 [debports]: arm64

Package roxterm-gtk3

    jessie (oldoldstable) (x11): Multi-tabbed GTK+/VTE terminal emulator - GTK3 version
    2.9.5-1: amd64 armel armhf i386
    sid (unstable) (x11): Multi-tabbed GTK+/VTE terminal emulator - GTK3 version
    2.9.4-1 [debports]: arm64

https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all

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#25 2019-08-29 12:55:52

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Re: terminal emulator for lithium

That's the version roxterm-gtk in the AUR as well, the forked version roxterm is at version 3.7.5. Kind of confusing that the developer kept the name.


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