Distro-hoppers anonymous

DeepDayze · 2019-06-11 01:41:49

I have a siduction 18.3 install on another disk and it's just the basic Xorg install which has just Fluxbox as the WM. That was an adventure to set up at first but once I got rolling it rocked. Debian Sid is not for everyone and I am writing this from a BL Helium install that now tracks Sid and so far haven't had major breakages. For those who are adventurous to want to run Debian Sid be warned there WILL be breakages so watch what apt tells you as it may tell you some packages may be removed. The siduction forum has a great section about any Sid breakages and workarounds.

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DeepDayze · 2019-06-11 01:44:38

I have this burning desire to jump back into Arch Linux so might go get the ArchLabs ISO soon

hhh · 2019-06-11 02:30:31

Colonel Panic wrote:

I'm posting this from Siduction 18.3.0, which (as you can probably guess) is based on Debian Sid. It looks well featured and very capable but it's not a beginner's distro in my view though it's got what looks like a very good manual on the website;
https://manual.siduction.org/welcome
I'd say it's a good choice for someone who's not too concerned about rock solid stability (it doesn't promise that, though I haven't had any problems yet) and wants to use the latest cutting edge software such as Firefox 67.0.1.

I ran it for about a year, until I realized that I'm less of a fanatic and need to run stable. You really need to upgrade every day or two and follow the siduction forum for breakages, or your system will eventually break.

Definitely follow their Manual procedures for upgrades...

https://manual.siduction.org/sys-admin-apt

^ BTW, that Manual is relevant to anyone running Debian, IMO, though I'd also include apt as a proper upgrade path...

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xen … apt.8.html

Sector11 · 2019-06-11 03:22:04

We are Debian!
Resistance is futile!

We don't need Ubuntu, we have johnraff!

HUH!

#!/bin/bash
# oneliner from commandlinefu.com
# man -t $1 | ps2pdf - - | epdfview -
# bash script from johnraff
# pman filename
# convert man page to pdf & show in epdfview/evince/mupdf

file=$(mktemp)
man -t $1 | ps2pdf - $file

atril $file
#evince $file
#epdfview $file
#mupdf $file

rm $file
exit

pman apt

BINGO!

unklar · 2019-06-11 08:25:18

S11, I love your humor.

@All
I thank you for all the good words to siduction.

At home I have 4 installations (xorg; 2x lxde; plasma5) and,
apt is very wise(!), you just have to read exactly what HE says!

Colonel Panic · 2019-06-16 19:23:23

Thanks again to everyone who's replied. If it's easy to break Debian Sid when you try to upgrade it I think I'll stay with Stable; I don't need the newer applications (such as LibreOffice 6) that much.

I've had bad experiences of things breaking when I've tried to update other distros I've used and it's my view that the inconvenience of a breakage (especially a major one, such as XOrg) far outweighs the extra features / more colourful interface etc. of the latest software release. Of course it's great to have both the latest software and stability, but if it's one or the other I think stability is more important.

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Colonel Panic · 2019-06-16 19:25:45

unklar wrote:

@Colonel Panic,
it's a pity that you didn't understand the fun I made...
Please excuse me!

Not a problem.

unklar wrote:

I am glad if you use siduction and I congratulate you that you have successfully completed the update.
You can find the IRC channel on your desktop as a desktop icon or in the menu.
The stability of the rolling release is achieved by frequent dist-upgrade. Some people do this on a daily basis. I do it weekly.

Thanks, I'll look into it. For the moment though I feel that Debian Stable (and Slackware, which I use sometimes, and some of its derivatives such as Salix and Vector) is just less trouble.

clusterF · 2019-06-17 12:48:04

^ wow you could buy two high performance desktops for that amount of money. Apple has become and probably always was like a gucci brand, you are paying for the name and the heritage. The only apple product i have owned was an ipod 3 touch second gen i think, even that was like $250 at the time, i think back in 2007 or 2008? I dont like this lack of I/0, sealing the units and no audio jacks coming in on new laptops and phones. You should be able to replace a battery and plug in your headphones etc..

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DeepDayze · 2019-06-18 01:12:23

clusterF wrote:

^ wow you could buy two high performance desktops for that amount of money. Apple has become and probably always was like a gucci brand, you are paying for the name and the heritage. The only apple product i have owned was an ipod 3 touch second gen i think, even that was like $250 at the time, i think back in 2007 or 2008? I dont like this lack of I/0, sealing the units and no audio jacks coming in on new laptops and phones. You should be able to replace a battery and plug in your headphones etc..

Samsung is going the same route as the new models you can't insert a memory card nor is there a headphone jack. Swap a battery? Forget it...

glittersloth · 2019-07-24 19:53:52

Say what you want (mostly valid) about Apple, but the current iPad Pro (running new iPad OS beta) is the dog's bollocks for a portable setup, imho. If only there was an Ansible app for it, I'd get one for myself in a heartbeat. Also, fun fact/anecdote; that overpriced spongy folio keyboard thing for the iPad, as mediocre as the key feel is, is still an order of magnitude better than the butterfly chiclet keyboards on current MacBooks. Yeah, that's how low the Mac has fallen. It's all Dr Dre's fault. His shit headphones melted the brains of the entire Mac engineering department.

Anyhooz, I'm getting back into distro-swinging after a long hiatus. Tried Fedobear 30 last week. A lot has changed. There's this new dnf package management replacing yum. Does the job, though the motorsport fan in me shudders a bit every time (in our lingo, dnf means "did not finish", usually due to a crash or breakdown) I run it. Their Gnome Shell integration is said to be the best around. I can't say if that's really the case since I haven't used Gnome 3 on any other distro recently to compare it with, but in terms of performance it's been pretty smooth. Their (Fedora, not Gnome) ootb font rendering still sucks though. I thought that TrueType patent had expired already, so what's stopping them? Copr repo, while not quite the Fedo equivalent of AUR, is a good step in many regards. Gnome is still beyond me, and SELinux is still a pain. I'm sure it's competent enough, but nearly all the recently published Fedora tweak guides I find starts with "first, we must disable SELinux", just like they did seven or eight years ago. Also, what's up with this Silverblue thing? The documentation reads like it was written by a subcontracted marketing firm. I've read everything and understand nothing! Flatpaks alone are complicated enough for me, so don't go sending me to a sanitarium with this OSTree abstraction.

I need something simple now. Maybe I'll revisit Arch and get it hijacked by Void via Bedrock, just to see the VM window go up in flames. Or maybe I'll try Solus. No experience with it but always read good things.

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MALsPa · 2019-07-25 02:18:53

glittersloth wrote:

It's all Dr Dre's fault. His shit headphones melted the brains of the entire Mac engineering department.

Ha-ha!!!

glittersloth wrote:

Or maybe I'll try Solus. No experience with it but always read good things.

I've read some things about Solus; seems interesting, and I'm tempted to try it out.

cog · 2019-07-25 02:48:01

Please see my next post. Somehow my stupid iPhone double posted.

(It’s probably not Tim Cook’s fault but just good old PEBTAB, problem exist between touchscreen and beer)

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cog · 2019-07-25 02:49:58

glittersloth wrote:

I need something simple now. Maybe I'll revisit Arch and get it hijacked by Void via Bedrock, just to see the VM window go up in flames. Or maybe I'll try Solus. No experience with it but always read good things.

I’d think you’d prefer void with today’s offerings.

Kind of in between Debians stability/ inconvenient abstraction layer and arch’s convenient abstraction layer/ cesspool AUR. Plus it’s more BSD like since xbps is modeled after NetBSD’s pkgsrc.

I personally like Ubuntu MATE LTS. You can make it do anything the other boys do with enterprise grade security updates.

Colonel Panic · 2019-07-26 02:01:30

cog wrote:

I personally like Ubuntu MATE LTS. You can make it do anything the other boys do with enterprise grade security updates.

Don't you get that with Debian Stable as well? (Not wishing to argue with you, just curious because I thought Debian Stable had enterprise grade security, and you seem to be suggesting it doesn't.)

Anyway, I've installed the latest version of Pardus, 17.5 (deepin edition). This is the first distro I've used with deepin as the desktop manager and so far I'm impressed; it looks a lot like Gnome but uses fewer system resources to run, and Pardus itself is a stable and competent distro with little to criticise apart from perhaps the rather dark colour theme (though you get used to that).

I've been using it today and so far it looks competent on the whole and is working well. It also has an XFce edition for those who prefer that desktop.

cog · 2019-07-26 02:49:31

@kernelpanic

Solid point dude and I totally agree, I was just saying that you get a bunch of solid Ubuntu community members and Cannonical employees helping out too.

(Also, I’m kind of distro agnostic, they all do a great job to me)

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ohnonot · 2019-08-04 16:07:48

cog wrote:

Somehow my stupid iPhone double posted.
(It’s probably not Tim Cook’s fault but just good old PEBTAB, problem exist between touchscreen and beer)

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 889#p88889

OK to use, cog?

glittersloth · 2019-08-06 14:39:55

glittersloth wrote:

Or maybe I'll try Solus. No experience with it but always read good things.

Someone handed me an old Windows laptop to save, so I decided to give Solus a bare-metal install. First impressions are mixed. There's indeed a lot to like about Budgie. Sort of feels like a hybrid of ChromeOS and Win10. Bar on bottom with an applications menu on its left, followed by some 'pinned' app icons and the usual systray/time/notifications buttons on the right.

This laptop is pretty meagre and weird in terms of hardware - Intel Celeron, no fan but has ventilation gaps, optical drive but no ethernet jack, 15" TN 1366x768 display (if ppi were jeans, this would be ultra vintage) - but the Budgie desktop environment seems to run smoothly enough. Some jank when I slide the notifications panel in and out, but that's about it. It feels more like a fork of Mutter than a ground-up thing, and inherits some of Gnome's baggage as a result, like GTK3 hard dependency, certain default apps, settings controls and that infamous tracker/indexing daemon. Also has some weird keybind defaults. I can't for the life of me figure out why window and workspace management duties are shared between the Super and Alt/Ctrl binds on so many distros. It's just convoluted. On the bright side, it hasn't adopted the dudebrotwitchgamer WASD-for-directional bindings like that tiling plugin for Gnome shell. Phew!!

Overall, I'd say Solus is a decent enough replacement for Windows refugees. Especially good if you want something that saves users from their own incompetence, provided you harden the web browser before handing it back to them. For Linux users, I'm not certain. On one hand, it's low maintenance for a "rolling" style release, but at the same time doesn't come with a wealth of packages in its repository. What's there is pretty up-to-date (Firefox is ver68, for example), and you still have Snap and Flatpack for new-school millennial nixers, plus an unstable repo. Speaking of repos, the package manager is simple but effective enough (at least according to what I read in the man page). Pretty nippy too. Not quite as fast as Alpine's so-fast-it-feels-like-it-didn't-even-do-anything, but much nippier than the usual Debian apt/aptitude or Fedora yum/dnf. Then again, I suppose that's partly down to the spartan repo size, but hey, they've got oh-my-zsh and powerlevel9k themes, so you'll feel right at home with your overweight github/unixporn circlejerk shell setup.

Lastly, I can't say if it's a fault of GTK3 or Firefox, but it's pretty damning on both when you can get schemes via the Firefox Color Extension integrating better than the actual GTK theme.

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cog · 2019-08-07 14:20:54

glittersloth wrote:

glittersloth wrote:
Or maybe I'll try Solus. No experience with it but always read good things.
so you'll feel right at home with your overweight github/unixporn circlejerk shell

Does it include i3-gaps and a collection of anime wallpapers too?

glittersloth · 2019-08-07 17:57:15

cog wrote:

glittersloth wrote:
glittersloth wrote:
Or maybe I'll try Solus. No experience with it but always read good things.
so you'll feel right at home with your overweight github/unixporn circlejerk shell

Does it include i3-gaps and a collection of anime wallpapers too?

Returned the laptop to owner earlier today so I can't double check, but I recall the Solus Software Center (graphical front-end for eopkg) having a dedicated i3 section. So yeah, you can have your gapped tiler + slow loading shell + obese font cache. No tentacle wallpapers though.

glittersloth · 2019-08-14 14:37:00

Scouring Distrowatch today, just catching up with stuff. Found this in one of their Distrwatch Weekly roundups.

BlueLight Linux wrote:

BlueLight, formerly called OS.js Linux, is a lightweight web-based Linux distro powered by OS.js. It uses the power of Electron to run a cloud based operating system, OS.js, to provide the user with a more web-based experience.

What?!! Am I the only one here that thinks this is an amalgamation of everything that's wrong in the world? This is why there'll never be a year of the Linux desktop. Because we've got people distributing this kind of dipshittery that tries to replace the wheel with an egg shell!

But there's still hope

Distrowatch Reviewer wrote:

At the time of writing there is no documentation on installing the distribution and the link to the project's wiki is broken. The project's blog is also off-line at the time of writing, making me wonder if the project may be abandoned.

Good!! Hopefully the neanderthings that thought up this asinineism have dropped off the face of the planet.

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