dist-upgrade helium to sid (unofficial)

dolly · 2018-11-28 09:33:13

Yes, patience helps. No removals today.

jalfonsi · 2018-12-29 17:27:33

Hello everyone. Yesterday I did the upgrade to sid and everything works fine. I have a suggestion: why not providing rolling release isos like Sparkylinux and Antix already do? Or maybe the choice during installation of tracking stable, unstable or testing...

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damo · 2018-12-29 20:17:15

jalfonsi wrote:

Hello everyone. Yesterday I did the upgrade to sid and everything works fine. I have a suggestion: why not providing rolling release isos like Sparkylinux and Antix already do? Or maybe the choice during installation of tracking stable, unstable or testing...

Because it may take a lot of maintenance by the few BL devs, who also have other things to do. The whole point of BL is that it is a Stable system, but it is very easy to just change your sources after installation, as long as you don't mind maintaining it yourself.

If you have upgraded to sid then I hope you are using apt-listbugs, and holding any packages which are currently problematic. Archlabs might be a good alternative for you?

DeepDayze · 2018-12-29 22:02:11

jalfonsi wrote:

Hello everyone. Yesterday I did the upgrade to sid and everything works fine. I have a suggestion: why not providing rolling release isos like Sparkylinux and Antix already do? Or maybe the choice during installation of tracking stable, unstable or testing...

I also run BL Helium that is tracking Sid and no issues as well but it does require more attention and care to maintain as there's a risk of things breaking in Sid. BL is based on Stable thus requires little to no maintenance.

iMBeCil · 2018-12-29 23:57:36

jalfonsi wrote:

Hello everyone. Yesterday I did the upgrade to sid and everything works fine. I have a suggestion: why not providing rolling release isos like Sparkylinux and Antix already do? Or maybe the choice during installation of tracking stable, unstable or testing...

Because, every now and then, sid based setup wants to remove half of the installed packages, among them often xorg stuff, basically rendering entire setup without GUI ... Somebody should watch out for such occasions, and apparently it is too much burden for devs (understandable!).

And, I'm speaking from my own experience: I'm not even using Bl, but simple debian + i3 and stuff.

And, above described problem is not the only one: sometimes (actually, quite often), certain incompatibility in particular library package can results in removal of main package. Just a day before yesterday, update and dist-upgrade wanted to remove texmaker editor, because of different library naming. It has been resolved in day or two, but one has to watch closely for such cases. If I recall correctly, similar thing happened in last 30 days with libreoffice.

To conclude, maintaining of the rolling distro seems to be an everyday job ... I completely understand the reluctance of the devs to do it!

hhh · 2018-12-30 04:04:02

No issues? Probably because you're using Openbox.

In the last two weeks, the kernel first upgraded to 4.19.0-2, which broke my Plasma install, and then to 4.19.0-3, which broke things more. My Openbox still worked.

I've reverted to 4.19.0-1-amd64, which I believe debian has fallen back to as I don't see either of those other kernels in the debian packages, and everything is working great.

buster will be out in 6 to nine months, it's worth the wait for a stable upgrade path. sid packages (in my case, running Plasma) are averaging about 50 upgrades a day, even on the weekends, and I expect that to continue until the soft freeze. That could be in 2 weeks or 2 months. If you're running sid right now, you are dealing with maintenance, at least if you're running KDE.

DeepDayze · 2018-12-30 15:40:11

On one machine I have both BL Openbox and KDE on Sid and KDE seems to always be upgraded every time inch’s k for updates. Looks like KDE devs are rushing to get things in before the freeze.

hhh · 2019-01-14 02:10:01

I've switched my sources to buster...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 648#p80648

I'll leave this and the semi-official Sticky thread open, but I'm done with sid for a year or more, I want me some stable.

Carry on, and thanks for flying Debian!

vic · 2019-01-25 11:25:43

^I feel you.

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