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nore wrote:https://www.elivecd.org/news/elive-3-0- … -released/
I remember trying Elive for a short time back in 2009. Haven't touched Enlightenment since. Good time to give it a spin.I believe Enlightenment is now at E22 so from what I hear it's gotten a lot better.
It is. Sparky Linux has it available as well.
There is also a 3rd party Enlightenment repo available for Debian if you want E22 compiled with Wayland support.
Last edited by PackRat (2018-09-12 12:54:07)
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I am bored with Fedora on my notebook PC (HP Probook). I really want to dive into something different; I'm thinking about OpenBSD.
It that likely to present huge obstacles? My main concerns are UEFI and the hybrid video system (Intel 520 onboard and AMD discrete).
Tim
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re eLive: ugh, look at their websites frontpage!
i'd rather recommend Bodhi i think, though i cannot think why they had to fork enlightenment.
It that likely to present huge obstacles?
i tried it in a vm recently and was totally flabbergasted by how differently packages are managed. everything seems to be following a different paradigm, even the documentation.
maybe not a huge obstacle, but i just gave up (i was only playing around).
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a question to all you distrohoppers:
i want to install some Linux on the follow combination of hardware:
- a smallish desktop computer from 2008 (no info atm; let's assume intel)
- an older nvidia card (geforce 210 or 710 iirc) with HDMI out
- connected to an older flatscreen TV (non-smart; no info atm)
needless to say it's not exactly a powerhouse, but i hope the nvidia card will make media playback possible.
what distro would be most recommended?
additional challenge: there's no computer monitor at hand; the hdmi should work straight away.
the flatscreen can be connected only with hdmi, and the computer itself does not have hdmi out.
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^ I have ArchLabs installed on a desktop older than that with an nvidia 610. Not using the HDMI though, so can't say anything about that. The media playback is good.. Compton messes it up though, so keep the bells and whistles to a minimum. Have also installed BL on it; again, disable the some of the bling.
Last edited by PackRat (2018-10-03 13:25:36)
You must unlearn what you have learned.
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a question to all you distrohoppers:
i want to install some Linux on the follow combination of hardware:
- a smallish desktop computer from 2008 (no info atm; let's assume intel)
- an older nvidia card (geforce 210 or 710 iirc) with HDMI out
- connected to an older flatscreen TV (non-smart; no info atm)needless to say it's not exactly a powerhouse, but i hope the nvidia card will make media playback possible.
what distro would be most recommended?
additional challenge: there's no computer monitor at hand; the hdmi should work straight away.
the flatscreen can be connected only with hdmi, and the computer itself does not have hdmi out.
Give the nodbus version a try in below link.
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S7.L, what is this? refracta is a distro? and what does nodbus mean?
gonna try it anyhow in a vm.
(edit: ah, it's some sort of devuan. booted up pretty fast, with LXDE? certainly lightweight. not sure how it could've helped with the nvidia card though.)
about the machine:
i had a closer look at it today.
it does not have a pci slot for the graphics card, there's only one slot for RAM which is at 1GB.
it has a windows XP sticker.
there's no possibility to connect the machine to the TV without an expensive VGA/hdmi adapter - well maybe i'll give it a try with a computer monitor just for the heck of it, but it's pretty safe to say that modern compressed video format playback will not work.
sorry for the noise.
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^ Have a look here ohnonot, https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158
Its a no dbus version of devuan / refracta it says.
The nouveau driver would be sufficient on a machine like that one wouldnt it?
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^ Have a look here ohnonot, https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158
Its a no dbus version of devuan / refracta it says.
yesterday, i was surprised (in a good way) to see that
refracta is actually a distro - i thought it was software to create a bootable install from your current system
it's based on devuan
i still don't understand what the benefit of removing dbus is, or why you recommended it.
The nouveau driver would be sufficient on a machine like that one wouldnt it?
since the goal is was media playback, i would say that especially on an otherwise weak machine it is important to make full use of the (slightly newer) GPU. and full use unfortunately still means nvidia, not nouveau.
also, in my experience, the older the nvidia card, the more likely nouveau is to cause trouble.
but hey, thanks for the tip anyhow.
i might have given it a try if i hadn't given up on the project.
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^ Im not really recommending removing dbus, so perhaps maybe recommending the distro without dbus as i find it works and it is a kiss (keep it simple simon) type of distro imo, ultimately its up to you what goes on your machines, i was just advocating it for perhaps you might find it interesting and usable. There is an iso in that library that has dbus not pinned and you can easily remove the pins in
/etc/apt/preferences.d/
Bit more about this no dbus: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/05/07/209/
Devuan has a nice package search online, perhaps the needed nvidia files are here: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … ease=ascii
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I am bored with Fedora on my notebook PC (HP Probook). I really want to dive into something different; I'm thinking about OpenBSD.
It that likely to present huge obstacles? My main concerns are UEFI and the hybrid video system (Intel 520 onboard and AMD discrete).
Tim
Did you have any issues with sound on your Probook? (Specifically low volume from builtin speakers.)
Currently running Solus Gnome on my Probook 650.
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I chickened out on installing BSD, but I don't use sound on the notebook much, anyway.
Tim
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ah ok re:sound. I really should try to get my hybrid graphics working on this.
I ran pcbsd a couple of years back. It was pretty good. I think it's TrueOS now. This was pre -UEFI and on 'uncomplicated' hardware tho'.
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Anyone given Elementary a spin?
/Martin
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prove their worth by hitting back."
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Anyone given Elementary a spin?
/Martin
I checked out the new release today. It's very aesthetically pleasing but too locked down for me to use it very day.
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Anyone given Elementary a spin?
/Martin
Yes. I've run loki for a year or so on one of my computers and have just upgraded to juno. Don't really notice much of a difference between the two. Very nice and smooth on the nvme ssd. As Dobbie stated, it is quite locked down.
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Martin wrote:Anyone given Elementary a spin?
/Martin
Yes. I've run loki for a year or so on one of my computers and have just upgraded to juno. Don't really notice much of a difference between the two. Very nice and smooth on the nvme ssd. As Dobbie stated, it is quite locked down.
Sounds like an Apple clone: Pretty and easy to use as long as you try to do things Apple wants you to do. That is at least what I hear from colleagues with first hand experience of Apple computers.
/Martin
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Dual booted openBSD today on an old dell optima, got it working pretty well, just a standard openbox deal with tint2 etc pretty much cheap copy of bunsenlabs in its theming and desktop/window control. Sound had me a bit confused until i understood mixerctl.
rcctl seems similar to systemctl in systemd, albeit rcctl probably much simpler in its methodology.
Updated from 6.3 to 6.4 a few days ago.
OpenBSD is a security-focused operating system with a design that emphasises correct code and accurate documentation. The project has released OpenBSD 6.4 which includes many driver improvements, a feature which allows OpenSSH's configuration files to use service names instead of port numbers, and the Clang compiler will now replace some risky ROP instructions with safe alternatives. Perhaps the most interesting feature is the unveil() system call which allows applications to sandbox themselves, blocking their own access to the file system. This is especially useful for programs which operate on unknown data which may try to exploit or crash the application: "New unveil(2) system call to restrict file system access of the calling process to the specified files and directories. It is most powerful when properly combined with privilege separation and pledge(2)." Other security improvements include: "Implemented MAP_STACK option for mmap(2); new RETGUARD security mechanism on amd64 and arm64 - use per-function random cookies to protect access to function return instructions, making them harder to use in ROP gadgets...."
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=openbsd
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beaker wrote:Martin wrote:Anyone given Elementary a spin?
/Martin
Yes. I've run loki for a year or so on one of my computers and have just upgraded to juno. Don't really notice much of a difference between the two. Very nice and smooth on the nvme ssd. As Dobbie stated, it is quite locked down.
Sounds like an Apple clone: Pretty and easy to use as long as you try to do things Apple wants you to do. That is at least what I hear from colleagues with first hand experience of Apple computers.
/Martin
no first hand experience, but a few forum posts would suggest that it breaks very easily when you start "messing around" with it.
saw a firefox install script first hand - it wasn't pretty.
but in all fairness, that was one or two years ago and they still used 0.x release numbers, suggesting beta status.
yes, people go for the "smooth mac look".
i guess it takes a few years of experience to understand that the default theme isn't the most important part of a distro.
ah well...
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I installed the new lubuntu on a laptop as I see the latest release has defaulted to using lxqt. I've never got on with lxde. That situation hasn't changed with this new release. Everything is a bit clunky and awkward and performance isn't as good as I thought it would/should be. I feel a bit sorry for this project as I feel it should run much, much better... I wanted to be impressed.
A few hours later I noticed that a Solus Plasma testing iso has been made available for public consumption. Lubuntu got wiped and this installed in it's place. Performance is great. Looks great. The KDE ppl really have done a fantastic job. Gone are the days when KDE was a bloated beast and it runs very, very well on moderately powered hardware. Solus Plasma is staying on this laptop.
Nice job KDE and Solus.
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