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#51 2018-08-08 05:39:36

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Re: Wayland and openbox

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Nah, we're going with sway  monkey

Just stumbled on this WayBox .. any thoughts or advice?

**Edit** there is a fork of this project already on github ..

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#52 2018-08-08 16:40:09

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Re: Wayland and openbox

DustyB wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Nah, we're going with sway  monkey

Just stumbled on this WayBox .. any thoughts or advice?

**Edit** there is a fork of this project already on github ..

There is a fork of WayBox on GitHub already?  Links please.


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#53 2018-08-08 16:51:07

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Re: Wayland and openbox

Sector11 wrote:
DustyB wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Nah, we're going with sway  monkey

Just stumbled on this WayBox .. any thoughts or advice?

**Edit** there is a fork of this project already on github ..

There is a fork of WayBox on GitHub already?  Links please.

Fork WayBox on the top right corner of the page there is a button titled “Fork” with the number 1 next to it ... please click the number

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#54 2018-08-08 17:35:57

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Re: Wayland and openbox

Sector11 wrote:
DustyB wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Nah, we're going with sway  monkey

Just stumbled on this WayBox .. any thoughts or advice?

**Edit** there is a fork of this project already on github ..

There is a fork of WayBox on GitHub already?  Links please.


Note that waybox seems to be based on the wlroots library, which provides the Wayland guts for Sway as well. Ultimately, since Sway will probably have more flexible configuration and floating as well as tiling support, plus a rather active developer community, I'd expected it to do better than waybox (as soon as that is finished), but let's see! The problem with Wayland is, that you have to implement a ton of extra protocols in addition to the standard in order to do standard things. There are a couple of blog posts both by sircmpwn and Martin Gräßlin, kwin developer, on the subject of the pains and ailments that come with "stock" Wayland.

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#55 2018-08-09 05:41:08

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Re: Wayland and openbox

Ok probably a Baka question but .. will it be possible to install X11 and then openbox and get rid of Wayland and SwayWM when lithium comes out?

What would be the disadvantages of doing this and is this ill-advised?

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#56 2018-08-09 06:50:02

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Re: Wayland and openbox

^ don't panic.
i think bunsenlabs will still continue the way it does now (Xorg+openbox) for at least one more (debian) release.

i also think that Xorg is not just going to die the moment wayland becomes default on some major distros. my guess: for many years there will be installation options for both.

btw, openbox might not be under active development, but it surely is maintained (join the mailing list and see). and will be for a long while, for the same reasons as above.

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#57 2018-08-09 11:58:48

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Re: Wayland and openbox

ohnonot wrote:

^ don't panic.
i think bunsenlabs will still continue the way it does now (Xorg+openbox) for at least one more (debian) release.

i also think that Xorg is not just going to die the moment wayland becomes default on some major distros. my guess: for many years there will be installation options for both.

btw, openbox might not be under active development, but it surely is maintained (join the mailing list and see). and will be for a long while, for the same reasons as above.

Thank you

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#58 2018-08-10 07:03:48

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Re: Wayland and openbox

ohnonot wrote:

i think bunsenlabs will still continue the way it does now (Xorg+openbox) for at least one more (debian) release.

My guess too. No formal decision has been made, and some day, we'll probably have to jump to Wayland, but the longer we leave it the more, and better, the options are likely to be.

It would be tempting to have shiny new software for Lithium, but BL is supposed to be simple, transparent and reliable first of all. Xorg is messy and many people would like to see the end of it soon, but openbox, anyway, is still very much usable in Debian Buster.

I guess we should make that Official Decision fairly soon...

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#59 2018-08-10 09:17:39

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Re: Wayland and openbox

johnraff wrote:

but openbox, anyway, is still very much usable in Debian Buster.

Yes, very usable so far.

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#60 2018-08-15 03:58:16

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Re: Wayland and openbox

After reading about i3, I decided to give it a go. Spent 6 hours with it and liked i3, plus was able to tweak it to my liking. Something I found as unexpected is using 60 tasks in htop and same under OB. I reverted to OB since it does what I want with the same resources. Having tried i3, I have gotten to learn something new and that's always good. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

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#61 2018-08-15 04:37:58

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i3 strives to be lightweight, but not as lightweight as possible - in fact it is not a minimalistic windowmanager. it is quite feature-packed, but it concentrates on functionality and not looks. it's all about the perfect workflow, i think.
i have never gotten used to it, the *box paradigm of floating + clicking + manual tiling + loads of keyboard shortcuts has always been my thing...

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#62 2018-08-16 03:02:05

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Re: Wayland and openbox

ohnonot wrote:

i have never gotten used to it, the *box paradigm of floating + clicking + manual tiling + loads of keyboard shortcuts has always been my thing...

Same here ... I am so much used to Openbox's overall dexterity that I dislike every other environment ... this is a flaw in my habits and thinking but for me Openbox just works the way I need it to

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#63 2018-08-17 12:11:07

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Re: Wayland and openbox

This doesn't relate to BL but ...

Here's a bit about Lubuntu's future:

Lubuntu will be switching to Wayland by default for 20.10.

We are going to do this by porting Openbox to use the Mir display server, Drew DeVault’s QtLayerShell, and other associated bits.

https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-development-newsletter-9/


Using the Openbox (3.5.2) session of Lubuntu 14.04 LTS but very interested in BL :)

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#64 2018-08-17 12:49:05

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Re: Wayland and openbox

If Openbox can be ported to native Wayland that would be a great thing. Wayland does have a lot of promise but still quite rough now. To me Wayland is the future of the Linux/Unix desktop.


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#65 2018-08-18 07:13:27

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Re: Wayland and openbox

DeepDayze wrote:

If Openbox can be ported to native Wayland that would be a great thing. Wayland does have a lot of promise but still quite rough now. To me Wayland is the future of the Linux/Unix desktop.

that's basically what this thread is all about; no need to re-iterate it.

i'm sure we would all love that, but afaiu porting it to wayland would mean essentially rewriting it, and the current maintainers don't feel the itch to do that.

therefore we also look for alternatives.

however, if you open your eyes and scroll just a few posts up, you will see that someone is working on porting it.

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#66 2018-08-20 06:39:33

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Re: Wayland and openbox

Yeah, if we can hold on a little bit longer, it looks as if these adventurous devs will find workarounds for most of the issues that are likely to affect BL. Things like:

Lubuntu Newsletter wrote:

Q: What about people with NVIDIA graphics cards?
A: More details to solve, but the plan is to get this working with those graphics cards by that time.

By "a little bit longer": maybe one more Debian release?


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