dist-upgrade helium to sid (unofficial)

DeepDayze · 2018-04-22 00:36:12

Openbox has been pretty darn stable throughout all the releases so it makes a great backup WM for GNOME/KDE as those 2 DE's break easily with updates and having a backup WM you can at least get a desktop till you can fix your main DE. I've run KDE apps on top of Openbox/Fluxbox before and it works (except the theming can be ugly).

The simple WM's are nice if you want a responsive system as they get out of the way and use far less resources than do GNOME or KDE.

I may try Enlightenment next as I hear it's a fantastic WM.

DeepDayze · 2018-04-22 00:43:59

hhh wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
I was using the system theme so I set pnmixer to use the system them and looked like it was when on Stretch.
You're using Paper-dark-mono, which isn't the default helium icon theme (Paper-Bunsen is), but I can confrim that the mono systray icons all look uniform. Thanks for the heads, up!
We'll open a thread if necessary on the issue. Too soon, ATM, as we're about to release helium. We are trying to get set up for lithium dev now, though, as opposed to when butch's release-date has already been announced.
To be fair, life really got in the way of the BL Team over the last year, but development is in good shape now.
Well, cool! After switching to mono, switching back to Paper-Bunsen is showing our custom pnmixer icon! Some glitch somewhere with dist-upgrading, obviously, we'll deal with it when the time comes.

I liked the Paper Dark Mono theme and it's easy on my old eyes. I did originally use Faenza theme originally on Hydrogen (which was the original install till I upgraded to Helium). So it was good that the pnmixer in Sid worked for me and that it indeed picked up the icon theme quite well despite no longer being able to select the icon theme in the pnmixer settings. I think that is indeed a minor quibble but it might be possible to sometime add back the settings if the pnmixer devs are convinced it can be.

DeepDayze · 2018-04-22 02:39:38

One good thing I found was that Conky is at 1.10.8 in Sid and I can right click the menu over the conky where I could not do that before in Stretch/Helium.

Not sure if this new Conky version can be backportable to Stretch.

Last edited by DeepDayze (2018-04-22 02:40:24)

PackRat · 2018-05-24 14:46:03

Just upgraded to Sid.

Pretty smooth, actually.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-05-24 18:06:22

I'm running sid now too

Mine's a pure Debian system installed directly with grml-debootstrap but it should work the same (ish).

Are you folks using the experimental repositories as well?

(animal)empty@animal:~ $ apt policy                                                
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     release a=now
   1 https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=main,b=amd64
     origin cdn-aws.deb.debian.org
 500 https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=main,b=amd64
     origin cdn-aws.deb.debian.org
Pinned packages:
     firefox-esr -> 60.0.1esr-2 with priority 800
(animal)empty@animal:~ $

Upstream fixes make it into experimental first so it can be quite useful for sid boxen, the pinning is the same as backports (as can be seen above) so it is "safe" to add.

For updates I'm using:

# apt update && aptitude upgrade

^ `aptitude` will start asking tricky questions if there are any dependency problems (ie, during package transitions) at which point I back out and use

# aptitude safe-upgrade

until the storm has passed 8)

PackRat · 2018-05-24 18:56:00

Yes, I'm using the experimantal repo this time around.

dolly · 2018-05-24 19:43:53

Yes, but only for the fun of it.

No experimental repo though.

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hhh · 2018-05-24 23:47:27

PackRat wrote:

Just upgraded to Sid.
Pretty smooth, actually.

Yes, it's a big difference from the jessie upgrade. jessie to testing/sid had the libc6 and gcc upgrades, plus the transition to systemd. This has none of that.

-edit- I mean, they upgrade, but the changes are much less drastic.

Last edited by hhh (2018-05-24 23:50:06)

DeepDayze · 2018-05-25 01:40:55

hhh wrote:

PackRat wrote:
Just upgraded to Sid.
Pretty smooth, actually.
Yes, it's a big difference from the jessie upgrade. jessie to testing/sid had the libc6 and gcc upgrades, plus the transition to systemd. This has none of that.
-edit- I mean, they upgrade, but the changes are much less drastic.

I also had a smooth experience with upgrading Helium to Sid and so far has been running quite well. Even kept the Bunsen repos enabled so that I could update the BL specific packages.

@HoaS I have the experimental repos but only enable them when I need a package from experimental.

Last edited by DeepDayze (2018-05-25 01:42:07)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-05-25 05:52:08

DeepDayze wrote:

@HoaS I have the experimental repos but only enable them when I need a package from experimental.

That's actually not needed because the experimental repositories have a pin value of 1 (one) by default — this means that any packages from that repository can only be installed explicitly and will not be dragged in as part of a `dist-upgrade`.

I have to pin firefox-esr to get it updated from experimental, as you can see from the `apt policy` output.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-05-26 16:23:28

Blender broke so I had to add the buster repositories to get the missing dependency

I think I may just re-install with stretch

hhh · 2018-05-27 02:13:07

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I think I may just re-install with stretch

I've been sticking with stretch. It's so close to buster but... stable.

Still an important thread to keep open, we'll see where testing is in about a year, I think.

hhh · 2018-06-12 18:04:21

BTW, which moderator moved this topic here from "Development"?

johnraff · 2018-06-13 03:59:21

^(not me)

Now thinking about setting up a Lithium testing repo, so first have to get a Buster system up to try it on. This thread is quite relevant, and could be in "Development" IMO, but I guess it was a corner case for whoever moved it.

dolly · 2018-06-13 09:02:03

Redid the whole process today due to a couple of small problems. Previously I just installed Helium and upgraded it just as it was without doing anything before the upgrade. But I had some problems with the wireless printing, and trouble installing dropbox, apt complained about missing python-gpgme if I remember correctly.

So this time I installed printing support, configured it, dropbox, synched it, installed also Spotify, Opera (yes, have decided to use it as an alternative to the default Firefox, will keep the fox as default though) and a couple of terminal applications before the upgrade.

It seems that the upgrade to sid went well. No complaints, printing works, dropbox starts as it is supposed to, choose to delay it with 60 seconds. By the way, I installed dropbox via the welcome script, but answered no to everything else.

Will dollify it a little bit of course but try to keep it as default as possible.

johnraff · 2018-06-17 04:50:35

dolly wrote:

...trouble installing dropbox, apt complained about missing python-gpgme...

Thanks for the headup! I now see python-gpgme is not in the Buster or Sid repos - did you manage to install and run Dropbox without it?

dolly · 2018-06-17 08:39:27

Dropbox would not install without "python-gpgme" after the dist- upgrade. So I installed Helium again, ran the welcome script and installed Dropbox, set it to start with a 60 second delay. Added some other stuff before the du too. One of them was "apt-listbugs". Wanted to see what it said about bugs during the change. As I recall it reported 19 different bugs, but I have not noted anything weird so far.

Now Dropbox starts, but the icon is missing from the tray, which is not very important to mee. Did not touch the Dropbox line in the autostart file. The weird thing though, is that I have done this same setup on two machines, and on the other if I remember correctly the icon did appear as it is supposed to. Will have to check that later for confirmation.

dolly · 2018-06-18 13:41:12

^Checked the above. The reason for the missing Dropbox icon were very simple it seems. I had commented out tint2 in the autostart file. When I set tint2 to start again, and then rebooted, the icon came back as it is supposed to do.

I am trying a new approach to my Openbox. No tint2, no wallpaper, no conky, no composite etc... just a gray nothing. Then I use gmrun and dmenu instead of the menu for applications. Trying to have a clean desktop as possible, and also working on to use the terminal some more.

It looks way cooler too of course.

hhh · 2018-06-19 06:45:55

Just did the dist-upgrade from a stripped-out helium desktop, no problems. PnMixer has a "Use system theme" icon checkbox that works!

Good luck prying Debian from my cold, dead hands.

johnraff · 2018-06-19 06:52:37

dolly wrote:

I am trying a new approach to my Openbox. No tint2, no wallpaper, no conky, no composite etc... just a gray nothing. Then I use gmrun and dmenu instead of the menu for applications.

渋い！

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