[OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

kozimodo · 2018-03-06 15:12:36

@devnull I dealt with this just the other night. As I recall:

sudo apt install libgtk2-perl

will install the needed dependency. But I'd have to check it when I get home to be sure.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-06 20:12:55

devnull wrote:

did you remove all the gtk-2.0 packages?

Can you be more specific? I'm not sure what you mean by "the gtk-2.0 packages".

Full package list here:

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-ne … kgs-norecs

devnull wrote:

I was trying to install obmenu-generator and I'm having troubles as that dependency is not met

What dependency?

Please post the exact command(s) used and the full output, thanks!

There is no obmenu-generator in the Debian stretch repositories btw:

https://packages.debian.org/search?suit … -generator

devnull wrote:

(there is no ~/.config/gtk-2.0 folder anymore). Is that intentional?

The GTk2 configuration can still be found at ~/.gtkrc-2.0, if that's what you mean.

dmontaine · 2018-03-07 05:47:27

Adding a dynamic Applications entry to the menus was much easier in this version. Also installing Cairo-dock was a snap. However, I do miss the ability to choose which file manager and terminal emulator would be active which was on the previous menus. Also the list of browsers is shorter (no opera, or chrome).

ohnonot · 2018-03-07 06:29:15

devnull wrote:

did you remove all the gtk-2.0 packages? I was trying to install obmenu-generator and I'm having troubles as that dependency is not met (there is no ~/.config/gtk-2.0 folder anymore). Is that intentional?

that folder only contains gtkfilechooser.ini on my system. see previous post.
i am a bit confused why obmenu-generator would depend on gtk2 at all - maybe because of icon generation. but i don't think it fails because of that folder missing.
and while the world is constantly moving on to more and more gtk3, gtk2 is not going away anytime soon, in other words i'm pretty sure it's installed ootb.
obmenu-generator is tricky to install (on debian) because of weird perl dependencies.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-07 07:23:57

dmontaine wrote:

I do miss the ability to choose which file manager and terminal emulator would be active which was on the previous menus.

I don't think the menu structure has changed dramatically and we still have the galternatives option which can be used to change bl-file-manager & x-terminal-emulator.

johnraff · 2018-03-07 07:29:38

dbvolvox wrote:

LibreOffice doesn't work across local network unless I install libreoffice-gnome which is not a big problem if one knows that it is needed for GIO support. Should this package be included with menu item 'install full LO'?

Good question. We could add libreoffice-gnome to the dependencies of bunsen-meta-libreoffice, so that menu item would bring it in. It's a small package.

Any opinions?

johnraff · 2018-03-07 07:32:41

tknomanzr wrote:

The default font is a bit small for me but that's ok. I prefer Noto Mono 11 for readability with my old eyes.

Where are you getting that default font? Both terminator and urxvt are set to Monospace 11 in our current bunsen-configs.

johnraff · 2018-03-07 07:36:38

dmontaine wrote:

Curious why Dropbox was included in bl-welcome. Seems like it should be an optional install for the same reason SSH was moved out of bl-welcome in deuterium.

Dropbox was moved from the pipemenus to bl-welcome. Some people wanted it gone completely, others were keen to keep it - this was our compromise.

SSH moved in the opposite direction, from bl-welcome to a corner of the network menu.

johnraff · 2018-03-07 07:41:53

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

iMBeCil wrote:
the 'bunsen-faenza-icon-theme' package should be included in "Bunsen Extra Images", as it seems logical
I would agree with that in principle but the images package is already a rather large 88.4MiB, the faenza set would add another ~67MiB just for 4 launcher icons so I think we should leave that up to the user.

Well, if someone chose the "Crunchbang" theme from BLOB then their whole icon theme would be set to Faenza-Bunsen, so it wouldn't just be the four launchers...

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-07 07:45:25

^ Yes, I suppose.

It does make the package rather large but it does make sense.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-07 07:46:20

johnraff wrote:

We could add libreoffice-gnome to the dependencies of bunsen-meta-libreoffice, so that menu item would bring it in. It's a small package.
Any opinions?

+1

johnraff · 2018-03-07 07:47:05

dmontaine wrote:

I do miss the ability to choose which file manager and terminal emulator would be active which was on the previous menus.

On the menu, go: System > Edit Debian Alternatives then bl-file-manager and x-terminal-emulator. Wasn't it the same on Hydrogen too?
EDIT Ninja'd by HoaS

the list of browsers is shorter (no opera, or chrome).

This was the way most people wanted it. Opera is no longer as attractive as it was, and Chromium is the only secure alternative to Firefox on Debian.

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johnraff · 2018-03-07 07:59:17

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

(faenza icons with images-extra)
It does make the package rather large but it does make sense.

...and icon themes aren't usually considered the same as "images" packages, so I don't in fact think we should bundle it with bunsen-images-extra. Also faenza-icon-theme isn't ours, it's a dependency of bunsen-faenza-icon-theme. I suppose making the icons a dependency or recommend of bunsen-images-extra is not out of the question...

The BLOB Crunchbang theme does put up a message "(This theme needs the 'bunsen-faenza-icon-theme' package to be installed)". The "complaint" only comes if users try to set "Crunchbang" without installing the icons.

iMBeCil · 2018-03-07 08:48:11

^Well, you took so much time to polish the BL-Helium OOTB experience, and then you have menu item which doesn't work. This is where my comment was aimed at.

Better then, remove the Crunchbang theme at all 8.( from the BLOB. Or make the Crunchbang theme BLOB selection triggers faenza icons installation (would be too cumbersome and unintuitive for the user IMHO).

However, let this tiny tiny and invisible flaw do not delay final iso!

johnraff · 2018-03-07 09:23:55

iMBeCil wrote:

... make the Crunchbang theme BLOB selection triggers faenza icons installation...

In fact we thought about that option, but in a more general way - if BLOB found a missing icon theme or GTK theme it could offer to install the missing package. The problem is that there's no clear one-to-one correspondence between the theme names and the packages that supply them. Doing it just for that one individual case didn't seem worth it, so we settled for warning messages instead.

zhartain · 2018-03-07 10:31:34

Writing this from a live-session booted from usb. It is running smooth on a thinkpad x61s. Seems to be a well polished image. The only problem I have experienced so far, is that I couldn't boot the usb/iso on my thinkpad x230...

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tknomanzr · 2018-03-07 12:50:16

johnraff wrote:

tknomanzr wrote:
The default font is a bit small for me but that's ok. I prefer Noto Mono 11 for readability with my old eyes.
Where are you getting that default font? Both terminator and urxvt are set to Monospace 11 in our current bunsen-configs.

Everything is Monospace 11 or should be in the configs I posted to github.

martix · 2018-03-08 13:47:33

johnraff wrote:

dmontaine wrote:
Curious why Dropbox was included in bl-welcome. Seems like it should be an optional install for the same reason SSH was moved out of bl-welcome in deuterium.
Dropbox was moved from the pipemenus to bl-welcome. Some people wanted it gone completely, others were keen to keep it - this was our compromise.

For the sake of history: Originally Corenominal wrote a "How-To" for Dropbox on #! back in 2008 (!). At that time (free) cloud services were rare and Dropbox was already available (alternatives like Owncloud started 2010, Seafile 2009 and Nextcloud as a fork 2016).

Later there was the pipmenu on #! and also #BĹ. Now in bl-welcome. As a "tidy up" in the future for a later release - besides Flash - Dropbox might be still a candidate, getting its former status in a How-To. I'm just mentioning it because I tried to figure out why glances showed "Dropbox" while it was commented out in autostart. Some articles I came accross made me think about Dropbox (will post about it here). Btw Dropbox IPO is coming soon. They agreed a partnership with google to use things like docs, slides, gmail, sheets, etc. from within dropbox.

mynis · 2018-03-08 18:17:41

I installed the AMD64 alpha inside virtualbox on my work laptop today. Everything worked as expected for the most part. Here's a list of things that may or may not be useful data points:

I installed via GUI and used encrypted LVM. I had to write out "/dev/sda" to tell it where to install the boot loader. IIRC I didn't have to do that with the previous release and just clicked an MBR radio button or something. This probably is something upstream in the Debian installer.
The display manager was slightly unresponsive on first boot. This is a VM assigned somewhat moderate resources, so I'm not very surprised.
I opted into everything bl-welcome offered. Everything went perfect except the dropbox setup. It threw an error that disappeared too fast to see. I couldn't find anything dropbox related in obmenu after. I don't use dropbox so no harm no fowl there.
There were some graphical glitches with the mouse cursor with the guest additions that came pre-installed. I recall this being the case with the previous release as well. Installed from the guest additions ISO and the glitches went away. Had to install headers to use the ISO (not sure if those are omitted on purpose or not). [*/}
I tested the web browser and SSH/FTP clients to make sure everything worked. The LAMP stack configured by bl-welcome responds as expected.

I'm not that picky about UIs and things these days so I'm perhaps not the best tester. If my CLI and my browser aren't crashing and throwing errors then everything's all good in the hood.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-08 21:44:37

mynis wrote:

I opted into everything bl-welcome offered. Everything went perfect except the dropbox setup. It threw an error that disappeared too fast to see.

The script should have stored it's log file at ~/.cache/bunsen-welcome/bl-welcome.log, is there any chance you could post it here?

EDIT: corrected path.

Thanks for your other feedback, VirtualBox support may be patchy for the Helium release because the VB package was dropped by Debian just before the freeze.

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2018-03-08 22:27:53)

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