Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

qcgxr · 2017-12-17 01:28:48

Steve wrote:

I have been reading up on various firefox tweaks/privacy etc today here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firefox/Privacy
Disable WebRTC is a good one if you dont need it... https://www.privacytools.io/webrtc.html

I'd add https://github.com/ghacksuserjs/ghacks-user.js both for its hardening but also for the recommended add-ons. They seem to understand what they're doing more than the privacytoolsio folks.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-25 03:08:47

We bring you this babble update live !

Still not using Quantum nearly enough, thing was coming along great on my Os's, still tend to use v56.0.2 atm. Also been a busy dork, in that as always continue tweaking away at any gnu/Linuxy goodness I can lay hands on and I do believe the default configuration behind the ondemand governor was causing performance issues which would've impacted Quantum too. Those now mostly corrected and made a thread about the nonsense. Plenty left to learn about it and pretty much every other tech subject in the world, shrugs.

Oh well ... one dy @ a time and Merry Christmas folks !

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BLizgreat! · 2017-12-25 08:13:51

And yet more babble, been thinking this over for awhile. I like Quantum, see some definite potential with the thing too. Though when comes to these content processes things, don't find myself overly impressed. I mean I kinda get that it's supposed to enhance security and stability, that being if one of the content processes crashes, it only takes the stuff running under it down with it and the others survive. Though honestly not seeing much other than this that's impressive to me.

Also note: Haven't studied all the changes to Quantum either. So really am ignorant at this point. Jacked my FF v 57.0.1 number of content processes up to 6 awhile ago vs the 4 it comes with default. This is said to increase memory usage and no doubt does to whatever extent. Same time mentioned still use FF v56.0.2 majority of the time and it's every bit as fast in terms of browsing speeds as Quantum. Long and pointless way of saying am considering lowering the number of content processes, at least back down to 4, perhaps even further to like 2, as overall not seeing any great use for these things.

If do keep them, seriously doubting I'll ever bother bumping them up beyond 6 regardless. Anyone else been playing with them, what's been your findings and impression on this topic ?

martix · 2017-12-25 17:17:53

BLizgreat! wrote:

Jacked my FF v 57.0.1

There is v 57.0.2 already, they fixed a couple of issues.

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ohnonot · 2017-12-26 08:05:19

^ it's been a while since i saw debian stable users running after the very latest version of some software.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-26 14:24:23

Might be there, could be better too but still Firefox keeps telling me it's up to date at version 57.0.1 for the time being. So assuming that means it's still currently the official release version. Thing is running great for me, did go ahead and put the number of content processes back down to it's default setting. Will mess with v57.0.2 when it comes through the official channel. Not that it'd be a big deal either way, am planning on sticking with whatever current release for now.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-12-26 14:35:50

BLizgreat! wrote:

Will mess with v57.0.2 when it comes through the official channel

Mozilla's download link is currently offering v57.0.2 and has been since 2017-12-07:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/5 … easenotes/

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-26 14:53:13

Oddball, it's still set to automatically check/apply updates and has updated on my system yet. Even when manually checking it, still not too worried either way, will make a note and dork with later if the update doesn't happen itself in a reasonable period of time. If it's officially being offered then yeppers, I want it running too.

Ps, went ahead and did it, downloaded from site, replaced the directory in ~/ with it, so running that version now. Still odd it didn't automatically do so and will poke around later. Been doing a bunch of dorking with Firefox recently. Need to make sure I didn't get any wires crossed etc with how it's set up on this OS.

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vasa1 · 2017-12-26 18:31:28

martix wrote:

There is v 57.0.2 already, they fixed a couple of issues.

Weren't those Windows-specific?

Block old versions of G Data Endpoint Security for crashing Firefox on start up - Windows only (bug 1421991)
Fix a regression with WebGL and D3D9 - Windows only

From the bottom of https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/5 … easenotes/

My Firefox, direct from Mozilla, is still at 57.0.1. However, those who download Fx57 for the first time from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2 will get version 57.0.2. Bit puzzling but doesn't bother me.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-12-26 20:15:21

^ Was the same thing, didn't automatically update on either of my gnu/Linux installs. Went ahead and manually did it. Don't so much think it's necessary more like a why not situation. Thanks Martix and Hoas for bringing it to people's attention either way. Figure if/since Mozilla is passing out version 57.0.2 now may as well use that version.

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martix · 2017-12-26 20:24:56

vasa1 wrote:

martix wrote:
There is v 57.0.2 already, they fixed a couple of issues.
Weren't those Windows-specific?

It looks like that. Recently I just discovered a very annoying message. I unchecked automatic search engine updates and also automatic add-on updates. However I still received this message:

Why would want to Mozilla check what search engine is set in the browser and why would they want to change it back to google?

This is really annoying, just like the default settings in Firefox. I wish there was - out of the box - a safe and basic browser without all kinds of unnecessary junk...

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vasa1 · 2017-12-27 01:26:50

martix wrote:

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Why would want to Mozilla check what search engine is set in the browser and why would they want to change it back to google?
...

Because they've dumped Yahoo! and gone back to Google

What you noticed was a deliberate "mistake" to get more people to use Google. Cynical, but it fits the trend

See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1526709 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1419941

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martix · 2017-12-27 05:43:57

@vasa1 Thank you! Great to read the story behind that message.

Have a look at this remark: "Analyst at Ecosia here. Currently lost 50% of our FF userbase in this update up (57.0 to 57.0.1) until today. That equates to around 8.4m searches since Dec 1st & right now around we're losing 600k daily, expectant to grow to 1.2m daily lost when propagation of 57.0.1 is complete."

There is one more thing with FF and google: There will be always a google (NID) cookie - which is basically a form of tracking. The option "Block dangerous and deceptive content" has to be unchecked to get rid of this cookie.

Checking

about:telemetry

is interesting.

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titan · 2017-12-27 09:00:41

ohnonot wrote:

I have a deep suspicion towards all chromium clones,
that certainly goes for vivaldi,
any current info on their open-source status? is it possible to obtain a compilable source package?

From their website, it looks like all their code is auditable.

https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-viv … en-source/

Vivaldi is not made available under one unified open source license. It does contain the Chromium source code with changes made to allow the HTML/CSS/JS based UI to run. All changes to the Chromium source code are made available under a BSD license and can be read by anyone on vivaldi.com/source/. Details in this regard are explained in the the README and LICENSE files within the package. In addition, our UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS. This means that for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit. Vivaldi also contains third party code. Licenses for these parts can be found in the source package and in the installed browser at vivaldi://credits

ohnonot · 2017-12-27 10:07:19

^ thanks.
since i made that comment, i have revised my position about vivaldi somewhat.
maybe because one of the devs is active (and i don't mean just spreading propaganda) on LQ and uses slackware.

martix wrote:

FF and google: There will be always a google (NID) cookie - which is basically a form of tracking. The option "Block dangerous and deceptive content" has to be unchecked to get rid of this cookie.

which i have been doing & recommending for ages now.
which is the root of google's evil: they say they will protect you- but not from themselves.
and their lists are being accepted as some sort of de-facto standard (e.g. email spam filters).

about:telemetry
is interesting.

...and can be UNchecked in settings.
for me that page just says "no data collected".

vasa1 · 2017-12-27 10:12:48

martix wrote:

...
There is one more thing with FF and google: There will be always a google (NID) cookie - which is basically a form of tracking. The option "Block dangerous and deceptive content" has to be unchecked to get rid of this cookie.
Checking
about:telemetry
is interesting.

+1, Yes, that used to be called "safe browsing" or something like that and it relies on accessing (and updating) a list prepared by Google so ...

And re. telemetry, someone suggested going through about:config and messing with most entries containing "http" or "https". I haven't done anything as yet in this regard but will look into it in the near future.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-29 01:31:48

Didn't know about the about:telemetry thing, thanks Martix. Have long since taken to unchecking the boxes in FF settings mentioned anyway. Also dang it, Quantum just updated again, it's already v57.0.3 ! Still not overly impressed with the rapid release cycle but understand Mozilla was kind of pushed into it in ways and did expect there to be some bumps/bruises while they rolled out this multiprocess Firefox. Will have to check and see what this latest is supposed to address and hopefully some of it does apply to gnu/Linux users too. At least if it's something beneficial anyway.

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vasa1 · 2017-12-29 01:47:52

BLizgreat! wrote:

..., it's already v57.0.3... Will have to check and see what this latest is supposed to address and hopefully some of it does apply to gnu/Linux users too. At least if it's something beneficial anyway.

Release notes for all versions here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-29 02:04:18

^ Yeah ... thanks, looked it up too, ummmm, kinda underwhelming, was hoping for something impressive but hey, they fixed it, so all's well.

Sun For Miles · 2018-01-05 21:25:29

I should probably restart FF in order to install the latest update.

(again my Youtube tab with over 8k blocked ads)

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