Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

MsMattie · 2017-05-30 22:35:53

In descending order of security and privacy
* Firefox - 90 percent of the time for browsing with a fair amount of privacy battened down.
* Chromium - which I can open if I have to log in to a site where I suspect they may be trying to track me over the web.
* Chrome - if I use anything Google and opened up enough for Flash for video.
* Seamonkey - I don't use the browser but this package has Komposer, which is a WYSIWYG html editor which comes in handy for rudimentary web pages that are so big it helps to visually see what you are doing rather then hunting through a swarm of code.

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-30 22:47:26

^ Hey good point, no reason someone can't have em all I guess. Though personally have found it somewhat tedious and these days restrict the number of web browsers installed due to the annoyance of a flood of upgrades coming down the pipe for them. With this rapid release model Google-chrome (presumably chromium too ?) and Mozilla was forced into by Google Inc. Seems the things are constantly upgrading.

Which on highspeed certainly isn't the end of the world regardless and at some point will revert to installing all the major ones too. For things like cross browser testing or whatever. Haven't been doing much in the way of web-dev in quite some time. Been somewhat itching to dork with it more lately. Mentioned with Chrome supposedly having 60+ percent of the browser share no one seriously wanting to be a competent web developer should neglect seeing how well their website(s) work with Chrome now.

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KrunchTime · 2017-06-11 07:20:53

I once read that using more than one browser helps protect you from getting fingerprinted easily. So, I currently use the following:

Chromium
Firefox-ESR
Midori
Palemoon
Qupzilla
Slimjet
Vivaldi
Xombrero

However, I don't use Midori, Qupzilla, or Xombrero that often.

martix · 2017-06-11 20:31:21

^This is one of things I really enjoy in the linux world: There are always new open source tools/projects to discover!

Xombrero - never heard of it before, but it looks interesting (install steps could be more clear on the github page though). If we add e.g. Iridium, Opera, Netsurf and Konqueror to the list above, there are already a dozen browsers to choose from.

Sun For Miles · 2017-06-11 21:32:11

I remember first time using Linux desktop for web browsing in 2000 (or 2001, not 100% sure). Jesus Christ, what a shitty experience that was. Both Opera and Netscape were crashing for various reasons, web page and font rendering was horrible. So I quickly gave up on idea of using Linux for my daily business back then.

Jump to current year, I have Linux distro installed on my laptop where I use exclusively Firefox for web browsing. No forks, no Chrome or Opera.

On my home desktop PC I still use Windows (haven't used dual boot with some Linux distro in 7-8 years, since I was getting to know Gentoo), and couple of browsers:
-Firefox for 99% of browsing
-Chrome for Facebook only
-Opera for Google Hangouts (I have 2 stubborn friends who are not giving up on this platform)
All those browsers have my different Google accounts logged in. In Firefox I keep NoSCript blocking facebook.com and FB's CDN domains, uBlockOrigin, Ghostery and BetterPrivacy.

On my phone I use Firefox and Orfox. I don't use Facebook on this device.

martix · 2017-06-21 19:19:58

@Sun For Miles While using Ghostery, it's good to have those settings carefully checked. Some do not recommend this add-on (there are easy-to-find detailed articles about it).

Any more comments maybe on Seamonkey? Or Dooble for that matter?

Somehow I tend to believe that Firefox is the right way to go, but on the other hand - and I do not like to say it - I got the impression that it is simply not good enough.

Sun For Miles · 2017-06-21 19:41:55

Yeah, I'm ware of Ghostery selling info that users share with them to third parties - those telemetry options are easily disabled.

martix · 2017-06-22 08:31:01

Yes, that's one thing. This is from an old thread: "Ghostery does other shady stuff. I have to frequently go to my settings page to disable tracking of all trackers because every time it updates its list, it won't automatically block the new trackers."
It's good to check: Advanced->Auto Update->Block new elements by default

"Ghostery claims that 45% of their users (8 million out of 18 million) are opted in to send Ghostery their browsing data. I wonder if even 1% of those users know their data is being sold to advertisers by Ghostery." - Good point.

I did like this add-on as far as it made pages load faster (by blocking all the junk), but in the end stopped to use it because it's NOT open source and there are alternatives which do basically the same (see also last post on this page). In this respect I like the Brave browser's approach blocking all the trackers as a browser feature.

Edit: As a sidenote: This year Ghostery was sold to Cliqz, which company makes the Cliqz browser (tried it, didn't like it).

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Sun For Miles · 2017-06-22 11:21:13

Thanx for the link, really interesting read.

Since I use uBLock Origin, I've enabled Fanboy's Enhanced Tracking List in 3rd-party filters, and peeked to see what's inside of it. I like that it blocks anti adblock warnings. I'm not sure if those ~1500 rules are enough to replace Ghostery addon, but I'll give it a shot. I didn't add Fanboy’s Annoyance List because it blocks RSS feeds and I can live with webpages linking to their social media accounts.

brontosaurusrex · 2017-06-23 05:39:00

Is there a nice writeup for web page builders, like "how to make a page that won't get blocked", just so we are on the same page? (heh) Url to that page could then be advertised with means of spoofing it into metadata they collect for example.

Something along
https://brontosaurusrex.github.io/2017/ … -by-users/
But I'am sure that can be rewritten in shorter and more clear form.

Probably there should be a mention of some sort of "Use higher brain to fight human native voyeurism" in the user-spying section? But that gets us into more non-technical waters...

The informer example

# this will inform page https://www.some.com about my rules of the game
curl -e "No Cookies Please, Do not track and spy. Do not inform me about my ad blocker. Go home and rethink your life."  -A "User" https://www.some.com/

That should show in server logs like

..... 23/Jun/2017:13:14:04 +0200] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 52029 "No Cookies Please, Do not track and spy. Do not inform me about my ad blocker.  Go home and rethink your life." "User"

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geekosupremo · 2017-06-23 16:18:40

Firefox or Opera are generally my first choice.

I've tried Vivaldi, and ... can't quite get into it. It's a fine browser, but it feels just a little off.

FF and Opera 'feel' like proper browsers. Are they overly interested in how it use the browser ... probably. Although with FF I'm happy to send them more info since they're still the one major browser that is OSS, isn't tied to a larger technology organization, and I want them to make a truly competitive browser. (CSS Grid anyone! 8) )

For those who worry about such things, it may be useful to know that the Opera company, is partly owned by a consortium of Chinese companies. The majority of the company is still part of the original but just a point of interest. Thus far it doesn't seem that the consortium is interested in more than having a diversified revenue stream, although who knows if/when that will change.

Sector11 · 2017-06-23 17:06:57

Opera CEO Lars Boilesen says
"we believe that the new deal is very good for Opera employees and Opera shareholders."

Let me fix that for you Lars:

Opera CEO Lars Boilesen wanted to say
"we believe that the new deal is very good for myself and 560 Opera employees and of course the Opera shareholders. The other 1,109 employees we're not so sure about, and quite frankly ... well, $600 million you know.."

1,109 people possibly out of work so the rich can get richer.

Oh I use FF and Pale Moon

martix · 2017-06-30 15:33:43

martix wrote:

Steve wrote:
^^ martix looks like ungoogled chromium is available for stretch.
https://ungoogled-software.github.io/un … -binaries/

Oh, that's great news!!! Thanks! After upgrading the system, that will be the first .deb file for me to check it out.

Well, hmmm, naive me... I wrote ".deb file". Actually there are 7 (seven!) .deb files. Am I supposed to install them one by one? I just could not find any helpful install instructions...

Edit: There are actually five .deb files. In the end I downloaded them. The only one I could install via gdebi was chromium-shell. Chromium_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64 gave me an error message: Conflicts with the installed package libnettle4.

I tried to remove this package, but it is something crucial, would have removed 66 other package, so I just left it.

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martix · 2017-07-24 21:12:44

^Well, in the end I managed to install Eloston / Ungoogled Chromium! Actually it will appear in the menu as Chromium, so there is no sign of the name Eloston but it definitely works (if I'm not mistaken extensions have to be downloaded manually).

As I was not the only one struggling with the installation process I tried to make a "one-liner". wget and gdebi have to be installed.

The following should create a folder called "src", cd into it, download all the necessary .deb files from the site above and install them via gdebi (Edit: As stated above these are packages for Stretch):

mkdir ~/src && cd ~/src && wget https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/download/58.0.3029.110-1/chromium_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && wget https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/download/58.0.3029.110-1/chromium-widevine_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && wget https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/download/58.0.3029.110-1/chromium-shell_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && wget https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/download/58.0.3029.110-1/chromium-l10n_58.0.3029.110-1_all.deb && wget https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/download/58.0.3029.110-1/chromium-driver_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && sudo gdebi chromium_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && sudo gdebi chromium-driver_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && sudo gdebi chromium-widevine_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb && sudo gdebi chromium-l10n_58.0.3029.110-1_all.deb && sudo gdebi chromium-shell_58.0.3029.110-1_amd64.deb

Could somebody please comment on it whether it works? As far as I tried those commands step by step they did work.

And there is one more thing: If there is a system upgrade, it'll try to upgrade those packages too as they are not the latest ones. In order to avoid it simply use the following command:

sudo apt-mark hold chromium chromium-driver chromium-l10n chromium-shell

One step towards degooglified internet...

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ratcheer · 2017-07-25 14:43:41

I'll just say I've been with the Firefox series ever since it started. I'm now on 56.0a1 Nightly.

I have tried Chrome and Chromium several times. I just don't like it. It may be better and/or faster, but it is annoying to me.

Tim

brontosaurusrex · 2017-07-26 09:11:01

Slither with chrome, everything else with firefox, some lynx for scripting.

martix · 2017-07-26 12:52:11

Any opinions on Waterfox?

If you have not heard of it before (like me), it's not a joke. This browser really exists (and even runs on linux).

Steve · 2017-07-26 13:04:43

^uses ecosia search engine, different, never heard of it before but apparently its a search engine that helps to plant trees?

https://info.ecosia.org/about

martix · 2017-07-26 13:33:52

Ecosia is the default search engine in Vivaldi as well.

There is really not a shortage of browsers on this planet. I'm still unsure about the best choice (which would be still only a base as using the right add-ons is also imporant).

Maybe the best option is to have them all. 8o

martix · 2017-08-03 19:36:09

DeepDayze wrote:

Browser wars on Linux are just as interesting as on Windows. Remember the big Netscape vs Internet Explorer battle back in the old days of Windows 95/98?

Firefox is about to fight back! Although I have to say that I consider it as a lost battle for Mozilla... They will have a niche, but Chrom/Chromium will have the majority of the browser market for quite some time I guess...

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