Arch Linux vs Bunsenlabs

ohnonot · 2017-03-25 07:13:24

the thing with installing arch the proper way is that once you're finished, you already did a lot of work to get to know your system, which you will definitely hugely benefit from.

by jove, i should reinstall arch just because of that, it's been too stable for the past 3 years!

BLizgreat! · 2017-03-25 08:05:23

Also haven't really explored install options. Guessing there's config scripts floating around and other approaches like this installer thingy Steve mentioned.

Will have to reread your quick tute snippet too Hoas. Really just not all that interested in Arch. Third or 4th times the charm. Been there, did it, got the shirt.

If a bug bytes to play with Arch in future, Manjaro it almost certainly will be. Seen plenty of positive comments throughout the Nixsphere about it. Of course Arch-based isn't kosher for many w pure Arch but it'd do and from said positive reviews, sounds like 1 to try based on its own merits.

Shutting it, anyone got a zipper or some superglue I can borrow ?

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damo · 2017-03-25 08:09:06

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

....
Shutting it, anyone got a zipper or some superglue I can borrow ?

Don't you dare shut up and stop entertaining me!

"Get your kicks on Route Nixxy-nix"

BLizgreat! · 2017-03-25 08:14:17

^Heya Damo, hope things are going good in your corner of the world fellow nixer. Come 2 think of it, screw it, time to dl BL Nix. Bbl guys.

Vlbls!

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johnraff · 2017-03-25 08:51:07

With the Babbling Biscuit around, it's starting to feel just like the old days.

MALsPa · 2017-03-25 12:34:12

ohnonot wrote:

the thing with installing arch the proper way is that once you're finished, you already did a lot of work to get to know your system, which you will definitely hugely benefit from.

Yep.

I've been running Antergos (nice distro, by the way) for the past few months; having been through the Arch installation process a few times has helped me a lot with Antergos, with understanding how it's put together. Installing Arch isn't all that difficult; just have to focus in and follow the Installation Guide, and the Wiki. Takes some time, but it's worth it. My installed Arch system beats what I've gotten from any of the Arch derivatives I've tried. I haven't tried Manjaro. As I understand things, Manjaro doesn't use Arch repos directly, but instead pulls the packages into Manjaro repos. Not interested in that kind of set-up, myself. Antergos does it kinda like BunsenLabs in that BL uses the Debian repos along with some stuff from BL. I'm running Antergos with only Openbox, by the way.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-03-25 12:47:45

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

The 'Arch way'

For reference, here is the actual document that explains the principles behind the distribution:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ar … Principles

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

Think the people behind Arch actually go out of their way and intentionally try to be a pain in users butts.

The reasoning is explained in my link above and if the user does not agree with the principles of the distribution then it seems foolish for them to employ it

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

I don't like Arch, think it's way overrated and intentionally hostile.

Having spent many hours (and over 4,000 posts) on bbs.archlinux.org, I cannot agree with that characterisation — I find the Arch community to be tremendously helpful and welcoming, not to mention extremely competent.

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

you get the Arch base no matter what you prefer

Use:

pacstrap -i /mnt base

to select individual packages from the base group, a very minimal system can be obtained this way

hhh · 2017-03-25 12:53:52

Feel free to open a support thread here about Arch installation.

Because the Arch forums are too elitist to actually help people trying to move to Arch.

BUUURRNNN!!!

Seriously, though, I installed Arch successfully once and IIRC the Beginners Guide helped me. Did they not archive it somewhere? If not, I don't understand.

hhh · 2017-03-25 12:56:00

^ Also, I haven't been to their forums in ages and don't know if the l33t stereotype still has merit.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-03-25 12:57:45

Steve wrote:

So with your reasoning on "Also, an important part of maintaining Arch is knowing exactly how it all fits together and using an "installer" undermines this considerably.." what about the Debian installer, surely that would do the same or am i missing something?

Well, in the case of the Debian stable release then I would say that the system is designed and intended to just work™ out-of-the-box and require minimal management throughout it's lifetime and, as such, detailed knowledge of the inner workings of the system should be entirely unnecessary.

Arch simply doesn't work that way and the rapid API changes and package version bumps make b0rkage very likely indeed, at that point a familiarity with the base configuration is almost essential and this is exactly what is denied by a third-party installer.

There is also the point that Arch is a rolling-release distribution and so only needs to be installed once, this makes the installation process much less important than with more traditional distributions that follow a non-rolling release procedure (such as Debian).

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-03-25 13:00:11

hhh wrote:

I haven't been to their forums in ages and don't know if the l33t stereotype still has merit.

That sterotype has never had any merit, the Arch forums have always been awesome

The only people who say otherwise are the Help Vampires who got their threads closed... ]:D

MALsPa · 2017-03-25 13:18:03

I've rarely needed to post questions over there, so whatever stereotypes people have of the Arch forums, I have no concerns about that. I usually find what I need in the wiki, or via web searches. But I always check the home page for announcements before bringing in updates.

ohnonot · 2017-03-25 22:34:04

^ and that about sums it up.

MALsPa wrote:

As I understand things, Manjaro doesn't use Arch repos directly, but instead pulls the packages into Manjaro repos.

manjaro is to archlinux what ubuntu is to debian

BLizgreat! · 2017-03-26 09:37:44

Am good with the Debian way, tyvm. Or more over, make that the gnu/Linux way = Use/do whatever tickles your fancy.

Don't like Arch but don't actively dislike it either. Jmo but learning in depth how gnu/nix works is simply a matter of wanting to learn about it. No shortage of info and opportunity to do so whatever distros a person prefers.

Just because the distros I prefer don't make setting up xyz components on the system a pita, doesn't mean I haven't taken an interest in learning about how the underlying elements work.

Atm still wrestling w getting Hydrogen to install, will get there, one way or another. It's the gnu/linux way. Screw with it until you find a way to make it work for you.

Can understand nixers liking Arch. Once setup runs fine. Just didn't find any compelling reason to use it over Debian or others, Nix is Nix from what I've seen, shrugs.

Do definitely value someone like Hoas's opinions on tech and anything else for that matter. Dudes got skillz.

Vll!

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