Wayland and openbox

Unia · 2016-06-05 13:42:40

JnvSor wrote:

sudo apt install e17
I thought it got wayland support in e19?

IIRC e17 used to have Wayland support too, but it was removed entirely in order to focus only on e19.

EDIT: Almost correct: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … yland-Temp. e19 used to have it, but it was removed in order to focus only on version 20.

PackRat · 2016-06-05 14:22:03

JnvSor wrote:

sudo apt install e17
I thought it got wayland support in e19?

Correct. Wayland support started with E19; I think they are at E21 now.

PackRat · 2016-06-05 14:36:17

JnvSor wrote:

How easy is it to install enlightenment's WM on bunsen? How's it's performance compared to OB?

Looks to be a bit tricky for Debian stable/Bunsen - see hhh post. You can take a look at installing Sparky Linux (Debian Testing) and get the current version of enlightenment (in their repos) if you're really curious. Their forum is pretty friendly.

It's gotten a lot better as far as stability goes. It's pretty smooth and low on resources if you don't go overboard with the bling. Lowrider uses it all the time and doesn't seem to have issues.

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Sector11 · 2016-06-05 14:44:08

A bit off topic but ...

tried:
fvwm and fvwm-crystal - they look OLD to me - something out of the 90's - Win 1 or 2 era

e17 - not so bad ... I could get use to it (I think) if I could figure out how to get rid of those icons on the desktop:

PackRat · 2016-06-05 14:52:50

Check the settings in the file manager module; it draws the desktop by default.

E20 + Sid + Wayland

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Sector11 · 2016-06-05 14:55:20

OH ... OK, thanks PackRat.

EDIT> YUP, that did it.

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JnvSor · 2016-06-06 16:40:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

any one of the several hundred moronic blog posts on the interweb that claim it is perfectly OK to install Debian testing/unstable programs in a Debian stable system

I've been using a stable/testing/unstable/experimental frankenstein for years now. It's awesome.

hhh · 2016-06-10 21:43:17

PackRat wrote:

E20 + Sid + Wayland
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2016/03/11/e-wayland-shot-2016-03-11_17-22-41.th.png

I missed this. Jealous, I posted my sid/Enlightenment/Wayland failure in another thread, I think.

martix · 2017-02-10 10:29:56

earlybird wrote:

Openbox is a dead project.

Do I understand correctly, when Wayland will be default on Debian (any guesses when that may happen? Within 5 years?), there will be no #BĹ with openbox+tint2+conky?

So far I read about Wayland, most people tend to prefer to use it in comparison with X11, so I guess there will be no such controversies like with switching to systemd.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-02-10 20:18:31

I thought we had already decided to use sway?

8o

johnraff · 2017-02-11 01:46:12

martix wrote:

when Wayland will be default on Debian (any guesses when that may happen? Within 5 years?), there will be no #BĹ with openbox+tint2+conky?

5 years is a long time. Who knows what this project will look like then?

Personally I enjoy the menu flexibility of Openbox, but I'm sure pipe menus, for example, could be implemented in other ways if we ended up with some other WM.

Meanwhile, tilers gonna tile I suppose, but not everyone loves tiling WMs, as HoaS is well aware...

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cpoakes · 2017-02-11 05:36:19

With the glacial progress, missing drivers, and feature-incomplete status of Wayland, there is little to no chance it achieves default window manager status in buster (2019). Assuming it makes default in bullseye (2021), applications will still provide X11 compatibility ("baked in" to GTK3 and QT5, and required for GTK2 and QT4 toolkits). Furthermore, "default" status does not mean X11 is obsolete or even retired. Like sysvinit, it won't disappear with the new default choice and is likely to remain the default for derivative distros embracing older window managers.

It is too early to declare sway the heir apparent to openbox. I have my doubts all blackbox clones will be defunct simply "because Wayland". Given the time frame, choosing a replacement now without evaluating all options including those under development seems to jump the gun.

Unia · 2017-02-13 10:03:47

cpoakes wrote:

It is too early to declare sway the heir apparent to openbox. I have my doubts all blackbox clones will be defunct simply "because Wayland". Given the time frame, choosing a replacement now without evaluating all options including those under development seems to jump the gun.

Pretty sure HoaS wasn't being serious.

cpoakes · 2017-02-13 15:14:04

Unia wrote:

Pretty sure HoaS wasn't being serious.

Not so sure. HoaS made his suggestion before and wasn't apparently in jest then. Just ensuring this is not the only idea bouncing around the echo chamber.

@HoaS - Serious or not?

Sector11 · 2017-02-13 16:56:39

I'll just leave this here

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-02-13 18:49:40

cpoakes wrote:

@HoaS - Serious or not?

Not serious at all, sorry for the confusion.

I have no strong opinions about any putative Wayland-based window manager but if pushed I would lean towards Weston — it looks and feels a lot like Openbox, has a built in panel (that shows the names of the Blade Runner Replicants if you right click on it, no idea why) and it is the reference implementation of a Wayland compositor.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned the choice of window manager is a cosmetic decision, on a par with choosing thunar or galculator rather than the alternatives, and not really critical at all; the fundamental spirit of the project — that of a simple, easily customisable, low overhead desktop — is the important thing.

MAC the Bloody · 2017-02-13 20:21:40

HoaS, I for one did not take your slightly provocative humor seriously for even one second, but you did get me to go look at sway. This in turn got me looking at i3. Well I've been using various forms of Linux since 2003 and have sampled numerous DE's and WM's but I have never given a tiling WM a really good shakedown.

So can you guess what is going to happen next?

Yes, a Linux user of 14 years is about to give a tiling WM a more than cursory test drive for the first time ever. So you see, one never quite knows what their words are going to provoke.

cpoakes · 2017-02-14 02:39:33

@Sector11 - Thanks for the Archbang reference.

I was hoping the stack would be Wayland:XWayland:Openbox with full XServer functionality to the window manager, but this is the first confirmation I've seen. Anyone know if XWayland can also provide window alpha-transparency without using an Xcompositor (like compton) in that stack?

@HoaS - Thanks for the clarification.

@Anaconda - Discussions like this inspire me to experiment too.

I installed i3 to see what I was missing after learning it was both a tiler and a stacker. Visually/graphically - I prefer the negative space stackers offer. De gustibus non disputandum est.

MAC the Bloody · 2017-02-14 09:56:16

cpoakes wrote:

I installed i3 to see what I was missing after learning it was both a tiler and a stacker.

That was one of the things that got my interest too. It handles floating windows in a way that seems "normal" to me. I also found that it is fairly well documented.

Visually/graphically - I prefer the negative space stackers offer.

Then you might like i3-gaps. I have not tried it yet but it looks like this can be configured per workspace.

Github. Youtube.

Regarding the original topic of this thread, I thought about checking out Wayland and maybe using sway with it, as mentioned by HoaS, but after looking at where they both stand development wise I decided to stick with X11-xorg and check out i3. Doing it on Debian testing-stretch as it rolls towards becoming stable will be enough adventure for me. I'll try it in virtualbox first and play around with it for a couple of weeks. If I end up with something I like well enough after tweaking it I'll save the configs and install it on metal for daily use.

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cpoakes · 2017-02-14 14:52:36

Anaconda wrote:

Then you might like i3-gaps. I have not tried it yet but it looks like this can be configured per workspace.

Thanks for the heads up. Didn't discover this feature... will have to play some more.

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