Living with NetVista. About 10 years old. But I'm old also ----

fossiili · 2017-01-17 17:15:10

In this Pentium4 PC BunsenLab Hydrogen-i386 works reasonable. I use my Linux PC to process my daily the digikamera snapshots. For that I need Gimp.

To install Gimp seems to be impossible for the sake of some broken libraries libbabl-0.1-0 (>= 0.1.10) and libgegl-0.2-0 (>= 0.2.0).

I also noticed that I could not run the bl-welcome script
"enable "contrib" and "non-free"? [Y/n] Y

Editing sources list failed. This script will exit.
Please open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor and check the entries before
running bl-welcome again.

Press any key to continue."

I did that and after editing the /etc/apt/sources.list it looks like:

"ukki@NetVista:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
#

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20160705-22:49]/ jessie contrib main non-free

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
ukki@NetVista:/etc/apt$"

Shall I uncomment other lines also than the two uncommented?

Anycase if I run bl-welcome again, something is still wrong:

"CHECK REPOSITORIES
------------------

Checking apt sources list for possible missing components...

A normal BunsenLabs setup uses the 'contrib' and 'non-free' components of the
Debian repositories, but they seem to be missing from your apt sources list.
Without them you will be unable to install some packages, for example the Flash
Plugins. Would you like to add 'contrib' and 'non-free' to your sources list?

enable "contrib" and "non-free"? [Y/n] Y

Editing sources list failed. This script will exit.
Please open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor and check the entries before
running bl-welcome again.

Press any key to continue.
"
:O

brontosaurusrex · 2017-01-17 17:34:06

- Anything weird in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
- output of 'apt-cache policy libbabl-0.1-0' ?

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2017-01-17 18:15:37)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-01-17 18:43:35

fossiili wrote:

Shall I uncomment other lines also than the two uncommented?

Yes, that's right, you must have not set a mirror during the installation.

For reference, /etc/apt/sources.list should look something like this:

deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie  main contrib non-free
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates  main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org jessie/updates  main contrib non-free

You don't need the deb-src lines unless you want to download the source code

fossiili · 2017-01-18 12:20:19

Now the file looks like:

ukki@NetVista:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
# 

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20160705-22:49]/ jessie contrib main non-free

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20160705-22:49]/ jessie contrib main non-free

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#   deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie  main contrib non-free
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates  main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org jessie/updates  main contrib non-free
ukki@NetVista:/etc/apt$

And THANK YOU! Now I could run the script bl-welcome. And install gimp also

fossiili · 2017-01-18 12:31:00

Surfing in the Net the CPU Used happens to be 100 % quite often. I even had to change Firefox to Opera which does not use so much CPU resource.

I remember that there are many light explorers but unfortunately I do not remember their names to install them.

Tell me wich explorer you will recommend for my Netvista :monkey:

nore · 2017-01-18 13:23:30

Here's an old thread about light browsers and recommendations for starters:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1983

damo · 2017-01-18 14:11:55

@fossili

The default sources are described here: Basic Help & Support » Sources - sources.list and backports details

You have several duplicates in your sources.list (which will give you error messages when you update). I suggest you copy and paste the default list into your sources.list.

If you install BL again, make sure you choose a mirror for your sources

brontosaurusrex · 2017-01-19 09:59:35

ot: So the basic idea is that time passes faster for old-er people so they should be fine with slow-er computers? (personally I'am not the youngest anymore, but would 'use bad words' everytime photoshop starts, or anything from Adobe.)

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2017-01-19 10:05:07)

ohnonot · 2017-01-20 07:59:40

fossiili wrote:

Surfing in the Net the CPU Used happens to be 100 % quite often. I even had to change Firefox to Opera which does not use so much CPU resource.

please don't do that.

bunsenlabs is already quite lightweight as it is.

the problem is the internet itself. it is getting heavier and heavier (and your old machine of course).
you can reduce load by blocking ads (firefox addon: µBlock origin) and further by selectively allowing scripts (addon: NoScript - warning! until you learn how to use it some sites become unusable).

I remember that there are many light explorers but unfortunately I do not remember their names to install them.

i think you mean file manager.
thunar is quite ok, not too heavy.
if you feel the need to lighten that, many options: pcmanfm, rox-filer, emelfm2....

cpoakes · 2017-01-20 12:51:20

ohnonot wrote:

...bunsenlabs is already quite lightweight as it is.
the problem is the internet itself. it is getting heavier and heavier (and your old machine of course). you can reduce load by blocking ads (firefox addon: µBlock origin) and further by selectively allowing scripts (addon: NoScript - warning! until you learn how to use it some sites become unusable).

In my experience running jessie/BL on legacy hardware (Atom N270 in my case), the problem is both the amount of unnecessary crap loaded by the page and the !@#$ browser itself. BL may be light but firefox/chromium/chrome are not, even with uBlock, Flashblock, and NoScript extensions. The major browsers are my most resource intensive applications even with these extensions. BTW I can run gimp, darktable, vlc, and libreoffice on this machine - with modest performance nothing like the painfully slow browser experience.

ohnonot · 2017-01-21 16:45:09

ohnonot wrote:

fossiili wrote:
Surfing in the Net the CPU Used happens to be 100 % quite often. I even had to change Firefox to Opera which does not use so much CPU resource.
please don't do that.

that was sloppy.
what i meant is this:
opera in its current reincarnation is YACC (yet another chromium clone), but that's not a bad thing in itself.
the problem is that it's not in debian/bunsenlabs repos, so again you'd have to install it straight from the wild web, which i do not recommend despite of what some power-posters on these forums say.

also, while chromium is a little lighter on resources than firefox, that is only 50% of what makes browsing the internet sluggish, as pointed out by me & cpoakes.

nevertheless, i think chromium should help.

simply

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install chromium

also good:
qupzilla

if you want very lightweight (but no javascript):
dillo

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-01-21 17:10:45

ohnonot wrote:

you'd have to install it straight from the wild web, which i do not recommend

+1

johnraff · 2017-01-22 02:37:44

dillo is indeed very light and quick, but as ohnonot points out, no javascript at all, and css is rough (I usually disable it). For a quick web lookup of something basically text-based it can be useful though, and fairly secure simply because it's so limited.

It's also useful for browsing through /usr/share/docs, surprisingly enough. It displays those huge directory lists faster than Thunar and will open just about any file you find there.

Steve · 2017-01-22 06:17:36

Netsurf is not too bad, im testing it out in a virtual box at the moment and it loads pages correctly or near enough. You could sandbox it to be more secure with a program called fire jail.

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

https://firejail.wordpress.com/

Last edited by Steve (2017-01-22 06:20:16)

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