Wayland and openbox

JnvSor · 2016-06-02 19:13:16

This is the year of the wayland desktop!...

*ahem*

I've wanted a wayland version of openbox for ages but I don't have the expertise or time to write one myself. Will bunsen be doing something like this in the (far) future?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-06-02 19:15:08

Nah, we're going with sway 8o

Sector11 · 2016-06-02 20:13:54

HEY! Isn't 'i3' and Apple thing?

Does this mean we're going to iOpenBox?

@JnvSor - are we certain OpenBox will not 'do' wayland?
Or maybe: YET!

Unia · 2016-06-02 20:38:19

Porting Openbox to Wayland is akin to starting anew. I doubt its authors are planning it and even if they do, it likely won't be finished within this year.

hhh · 2016-06-02 21:32:16

Wayland won't be ready for Prime Time within this year, either.

Sector11 · 2016-06-02 21:52:44

I wonder if for the first year or so when it comes if there will be an option for wayland or X.

pvsage · 2016-06-02 22:05:53

^ Already is a Wayland option in Unstable with the Gnome desktop. On my hardware it feels a little sluggish compared to Gnome with X11.

Hipparkhia · 2016-06-03 08:45:09

madoromi wrote:

Openbox is a dead project. There is no upstream development. There won't be any native version of OB ported by the main developer.

Sorry if this is going off-topic but is there any upstream development of *box-style window-managers nowadays? Pekwm, perhaps? I fear the day will come when you can't use any of them.....

nobody · 2016-06-03 11:58:55

Hipparkhia wrote:

madoromi wrote:
Openbox is a dead project. There is no upstream development. There won't be any native version of OB ported by the main developer.
Sorry if this is going off-topic but is there any upstream development of *box-style window-managers nowadays? Pekwm, perhaps? I fear the day will come when you can't use any of them.....

IDK? Seems like there is a blackbox port to Windows :=)

Most of the family is functionally complete as far as primitive window management goes I suppose. When it comes to handling hints and complying with specs like ICCCM and EWMH they mostly do nothing or very little though.

The most "complete" in that regard but still UNIXy window managers are probably those still in development, like awesome and i3, bspwm, herbstluftwm, xmonad, flvwm, etc pp. Accidentally, most of them are tilers and/or focus on especially expressive, powerful and flexible window management capabilities. Makes sense to me because monitors are getting bigger and pure stacking window managers are the most useless thing on earth (IMHO). People end up slapping on tiling-like functionality anyways (KWin tiling scripts, Openbox aerosnap, amethyst and friends for OSX etc pp).

If you want something like Openbox, look at flvwm. It's insanely flexible...it's probably possible to bend it to behave like Openbox when it comes to managing windows....

Hipparkhia · 2016-06-03 21:24:28

twoion wrote:

IDK? Seems like there is a blackbox port to Windows :=)
Most of the family is functionally complete as far as primitive window management goes I suppose. When it comes to handling hints and complying with specs like ICCCM and EWMH they mostly do nothing or very little though.
The most "complete" in that regard but still UNIXy window managers are probably those still in development, like awesome and i3, bspwm, herbstluftwm, xmonad, flvwm, etc pp. Accidentally, most of them are tilers and/or focus on especially expressive, powerful and flexible window management capabilities. Makes sense to me because monitors are getting bigger and pure stacking window managers are the most useless thing on earth (IMHO). People end up slapping on tiling-like functionality anyways (KWin tiling scripts, Openbox aerosnap, amethyst and friends for OSX etc pp).
If you want something like Openbox, look at flvwm. It's insanely flexible...it's probably possible to bend it to behave like Openbox when it comes to managing windows....

I used to use bblean on Windows XP. It didn't really work on Windows 7, though.

I like Fluxbox and Openbox on Linux but I do wonder whether changes (like Wayland) and lack of development will see them become unusable one day. Which would be sad. Perhaps I will end up with a tiling manager when that happens....

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-06-03 22:16:56

@Hipparkhia -- I wouldn't worry too much, both GNOME and KDE now offer Wayland-based sessions and LXQt isn't far behind.

So I'm sure there will be some lightweight stacking window managers available eventually.

The reference implementation of a Wayland compositor (window manager) is Weston and this is a "stacker"

Don't be swayed by my nonsense at the top of the thread

EDIT: Current list of Wayland WMs here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wa … top_shells

EDIT2: Scrot of Weston running in BunsenLabs:

As you can see, it looks very similar to the BL desktop 8)

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2016-06-04 11:24:38)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-06-03 22:54:41

madoromi wrote:

Openbox is a dead project

I think "feature complete" is a more accurate term for the status of the Openbox project.

I'm sure they would fix any bugs or vulnerabilities so I wouldn't describe it as "dead".

As the last official release was just over a year ago, I think this link is called for:
https://youtu.be/dGFXGwHsD_A?t=52

nore · 2016-06-04 16:25:27

twoion wrote:

The most "complete" ... flvwm, etc
If you want something like Openbox, look at flvwm.

Do you mean FVWM or does a window manager called FLVWM exist?

Sector11 · 2016-06-04 17:01:30

^ no wonder I couldn't fine it.

PackRat · 2016-06-04 22:02:44

nore wrote:

twoion wrote:
The most "complete" ... flvwm, etc
If you want something like Openbox, look at flvwm.
Do you mean FVWM or does a window manager called FLVWM exist?

There is flwm and the fltk tool kit - default in tinycore linux; I'm assuming that is what he's referring to.

If you want to try a stacking window manager with wayland, you can give Enlightenment a try. It had some stability issues when I tried it a month or two ago - mostly mouse issues, but otherwise not too bad. The enlightenment devs seem pretty committed to wayland.

Last edited by PackRat (2016-06-04 22:27:11)

JnvSor · 2016-06-05 09:02:30

How easy is it to install enlightenment's WM on bunsen? How's it's performance compared to OB?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-06-05 10:08:18

JnvSor wrote:

How easy is it to install enlightenment's WM on bunsen?

Very easy:

sudo apt install e17

How's it's performance compared to OB?

No idea, I don't like desktops that pulsate

JnvSor · 2016-06-05 13:20:06

sudo apt install e17

I thought it got wayland support in e19?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-06-05 13:25:37

JnvSor wrote:

I thought it got wayland support in e19?

I don't know anything about Enlightenment but version e17 seems to be the only one available in the Debian jessie repositories.

Please be sure to read the Don't Break BunsenLabs link in my signature before following any one of the several hundred moronic blog posts on the interweb that claim it is perfectly OK to install Debian testing/unstable programs in a Debian stable system; this is *not* the case and may hose your system completely.

See http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?&t=114130 for more on this.

hhh · 2016-06-05 13:33:24

See the Enlightenment site for instructions on building the current version on Debian...

https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/debian-start

Current Wayland support in Enlightenment...

https://www.enlightenment.org/about-wayland

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