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Martin · 2022-11-19 10:35:07

This may be an interesting read for distro hoppers:
https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/18/ … rivatives/

/Martin

Colonel Panic · 2022-11-19 21:25:35

Martin wrote:

This may be an interesting read for distro hoppers:
https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/18/ … rivatives/
/Martin

Good article! I liked that it mentioned both CrunchBang++ and Bunsen, but thought the article got it the wrong way round when it said that Bunsen is more like the original CrunchBang than CrunchBang++ is? My impression is that CrunchBang++ is pretty much a straight updating of the original CrunchBang (and nothing wrong with that, CrunchBang was a great distro).

Intriguing suggestion too about Debian and Devuan merging and offering a choice of init systems, but I suspect in practice that would take a lot of extra work to accomplish.
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el_koraco · 2022-11-19 23:38:55

Colonel Panic wrote:

Intriguing suggestion too about Debian and Devuan merging and offering a choice of init systems, but I suspect in practice that would take a lot of extra work to accomplish.
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By the time Debian 15 or so comes out, all the alternative init scripts will be ported to a full Debian base, which will make it trivial to rebase the init system, with not much more than several commands. I doubt there will be a need for a systemd free spinoff at that point. The bigger question is whether Debian will ever switch to btrfs as the default file system. Despite all the pushing from Red Hat, this doesn't seem likely.

or1o9 · 2022-11-20 08:29:52

Welcome back from the distro graveyard, wattOS! Release announcement in the link.

https://www.planetwatt.com/R12-details/

Martin · 2022-11-20 10:37:11

Colonel Panic wrote:

Martin wrote:
This may be an interesting read for distro hoppers:
https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/18/ … rivatives/
/Martin
Good article! I liked that it mentioned both CrunchBang++ and Bunsen, but thought the article got it the wrong way round when it said that Bunsen is more like the original CrunchBang than CrunchBang++ is?

I read it the other way around. But never mind. I downloaded CB++ and gave it a Live spin on a virtual machine. It felt and looked very familiar :-)

EndlessOS (mentioned towards the end of the article) on the other hand felt and looked very different from most other things I have tried. This is not to say it is bad. Different tastes and needs...

/Martin

Martin · 2022-11-20 11:37:51

KolibriOS, anyone?
http://kolibrios.org/en/

I came across this while looking for something else. Anyone know anything about this OS?

/Martin

unklar · 2022-11-24 16:06:05

For quite some time I have been toying with the idea of a new computer. Preferably with Linux from the factory. This German company from Augsburg in Bavaria has caught my eye several times.

Now the OS installed on it has been released to the general public for testing and I gave it a first 'look' in QEMU. As usual linux...

unklar · 2022-11-24 16:13:14

CachyOS - arch derivative with Plasma (and many others)

trinidad · 2022-11-25 13:58:31

Cachy OS looks promising especially the desktop and file system options. I am particularly interested in their distro specific fork of the LibreWolf web browser. The Wiki is pretty interesting.

https://wiki.cachyos.org/

TC

deleted0 · 2022-11-25 14:43:44

^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.

"BTW, I run Arch."

8bit

unklar · 2022-11-25 16:15:49

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
"BTW, I run Arch."
8bit

Exactly, a real arch has been running here since March 2015 with zero problems and, you already knew the picture.

el_koraco · 2022-11-25 19:59:29

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.

Stock Arch gets some niggles every once in a while. For instance, an update to iwd will leave you without wifi until you downgrade and stuff like that. I have never had it break to the point of a blinking cursor and I ran it for five or six years all in all, on several machines. You are right about the constant updating though, it is a huge pain in the ass. I have been back on Debian for a month now, and only now have gotten out of the habit of updating apt's cache twice a day.

DeepDayze · 2022-11-25 23:50:59

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
"BTW, I run Arch."
8bit

Then you'd wish you stayed on Debian

DeepDayze · 2022-11-25 23:53:55

el_koraco wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
Stock Arch gets some niggles every once in a while. For instance, an update to iwd will leave you without wifi until you downgrade and stuff like that. I have never had it break to the point of a blinking cursor and I ran it for five or six years all in all, on several machines. You are right about the constant updating though, it is a huge pain in the ass. I have been back on Debian for a month now, and only now have gotten out of the habit of updating apt's cache twice a day.

I also found that with Arch it leaves .pacsave and .pacnew files whenever an upgrade will produce changes to config files and the user will need to manage these. Debian debconf would ask if it can replace your config files(s) which you can decline, accept or view the diffs. Pacman doesn't really do that.

DeepDayze · 2022-11-25 23:55:53

mariannemarlow wrote:

I never ever got Arch to work on any laptop I have had!

I have used Garuda Linux (another colorful Arch derivate) and it's a bit funky on my old laptop yet it works pretty well on my big rig. Seems btrfs (which is the default FS)can be a bit picky about the disk hardware.

el_koraco · 2022-11-26 09:02:15

DeepDayze wrote:

I also found that with Arch it leaves .pacsave and .pacnew files whenever an upgrade will produce changes to config files and the user will need to manage these. Debian debconf would ask if it can replace your config files(s) which you can decline, accept or view the diffs. Pacman doesn't really do that.

Debian packaging is superior to everything else.

unklar · 2022-11-26 10:14:10

el_koraco wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
Stock Arch gets some niggles every once in a while. For instance, an update to iwd will leave you without wifi until you downgrade and stuff like that. I have never had it break to the point of a blinking cursor and I ran it for five or six years all in all, on several machines. You are right about the constant updating though, it is a huge pain in the ass. I have been back on Debian for a month now, and only now have gotten out of the habit of updating apt's cache twice a day.

I assume that iwd will also need to be set up after installation, as with Debian.
Installation of iwd

el_koraco · 2022-11-26 13:51:12

unklar wrote:

I assume that iwd will also need to be set up after installation, as with Debian.
Installation of iwd

Of course, you couldn't get online with wireless otherwise - I refuse to use network manager. I had like two or three updates break iwd, but this was years ago, when it was still fairly new. Upstream bugs mind you, fixed in days at most. But pacman is good at downgrading packages, so it was never really a problem. A good example of how largely hassle free the updates in Arch are, I would always install with btrfs with the idea of snapshoting before large updates, but I would only use the snapshot feature once or twice and then forget about it for years. There are just too many updates for me really.

jeffreyC · 2022-11-26 14:10:44

For those who use Arch (and Arch based) there is timeshift-autosnap to automate the snapshot before upgrade:

https://gitlab.com/gobonja/timeshift-autosnap

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift-autosnap

For those who use Debian (and Debian based, including Ubuntu) there is a fork named timeshift-autosnap-apt (sorry, no package):

https://github.com/wmutschl/timeshift-autosnap-apt

deleted0 · 2022-11-26 15:11:22

Been using Salix, a user friendly Slackware spin.

Like a bonsai, Salix is small, light & the product of infinite care.

https://www.salixos.org/

Without question the most responsive Linux Spin I've ever used.

8bit

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