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el_koraco · 2022-11-25 19:59:29

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.

Stock Arch gets some niggles every once in a while. For instance, an update to iwd will leave you without wifi until you downgrade and stuff like that. I have never had it break to the point of a blinking cursor and I ran it for five or six years all in all, on several machines. You are right about the constant updating though, it is a huge pain in the ass. I have been back on Debian for a month now, and only now have gotten out of the habit of updating apt's cache twice a day.

DeepDayze · 2022-11-25 23:50:59

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
"BTW, I run Arch."
8bit

Then you'd wish you stayed on Debian

mariannemarlow · 2022-11-25 23:52:45

I never ever got Arch to work on any laptop I have had!

DeepDayze · 2022-11-25 23:53:55

el_koraco wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
Stock Arch gets some niggles every once in a while. For instance, an update to iwd will leave you without wifi until you downgrade and stuff like that. I have never had it break to the point of a blinking cursor and I ran it for five or six years all in all, on several machines. You are right about the constant updating though, it is a huge pain in the ass. I have been back on Debian for a month now, and only now have gotten out of the habit of updating apt's cache twice a day.

I also found that with Arch it leaves .pacsave and .pacnew files whenever an upgrade will produce changes to config files and the user will need to manage these. Debian debconf would ask if it can replace your config files(s) which you can decline, accept or view the diffs. Pacman doesn't really do that.

DeepDayze · 2022-11-25 23:55:53

mariannemarlow wrote:

I never ever got Arch to work on any laptop I have had!

I have used Garuda Linux (another colorful Arch derivate) and it's a bit funky on my old laptop yet it works pretty well on my big rig. Seems btrfs (which is the default FS)can be a bit picky about the disk hardware.

el_koraco · 2022-11-26 09:02:15

DeepDayze wrote:

I also found that with Arch it leaves .pacsave and .pacnew files whenever an upgrade will produce changes to config files and the user will need to manage these. Debian debconf would ask if it can replace your config files(s) which you can decline, accept or view the diffs. Pacman doesn't really do that.

Debian packaging is superior to everything else.

unklar · 2022-11-26 10:14:10

el_koraco wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
^ Yeah, but it's Arch. An update every other minute. Not a question of if but when one of those updates will leave the user with a blinking error message instead of a working computer.
Stock Arch gets some niggles every once in a while. For instance, an update to iwd will leave you without wifi until you downgrade and stuff like that. I have never had it break to the point of a blinking cursor and I ran it for five or six years all in all, on several machines. You are right about the constant updating though, it is a huge pain in the ass. I have been back on Debian for a month now, and only now have gotten out of the habit of updating apt's cache twice a day.

I assume that iwd will also need to be set up after installation, as with Debian.
Installation of iwd

el_koraco · 2022-11-26 13:51:12

unklar wrote:

I assume that iwd will also need to be set up after installation, as with Debian.
Installation of iwd

Of course, you couldn't get online with wireless otherwise - I refuse to use network manager. I had like two or three updates break iwd, but this was years ago, when it was still fairly new. Upstream bugs mind you, fixed in days at most. But pacman is good at downgrading packages, so it was never really a problem. A good example of how largely hassle free the updates in Arch are, I would always install with btrfs with the idea of snapshoting before large updates, but I would only use the snapshot feature once or twice and then forget about it for years. There are just too many updates for me really.

jeffreyC · 2022-11-26 14:10:44

For those who use Arch (and Arch based) there is timeshift-autosnap to automate the snapshot before upgrade:

https://gitlab.com/gobonja/timeshift-autosnap

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift-autosnap

For those who use Debian (and Debian based, including Ubuntu) there is a fork named timeshift-autosnap-apt (sorry, no package):

https://github.com/wmutschl/timeshift-autosnap-apt

deleted0 · 2022-11-26 15:11:22

Been using Salix, a user friendly Slackware spin.

Like a bonsai, Salix is small, light & the product of infinite care.

https://www.salixos.org/

Without question the most responsive Linux Spin I've ever used.

8bit

DeepDayze · 2022-11-27 02:39:13

el_koraco wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
I also found that with Arch it leaves .pacsave and .pacnew files whenever an upgrade will produce changes to config files and the user will need to manage these. Debian debconf would ask if it can replace your config files(s) which you can decline, accept or view the diffs. Pacman doesn't really do that.
Debian packaging is superior to everything else.

100% spot on.

DeepDayze · 2022-11-27 02:41:03

jeffreyC wrote:

For those who use Arch (and Arch based) there is timeshift-autosnap to automate the snapshot before upgrade:
https://gitlab.com/gobonja/timeshift-autosnap
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift-autosnap
For those who use Debian (and Debian based, including Ubuntu) there is a fork named timeshift-autosnap-apt (sorry, no package):
https://github.com/wmutschl/timeshift-autosnap-apt

That sounds like a good alternative to snapper particularly if you are using ext4 as your main filesystem so timeshift can behave in a similar fashion to Snapper which is more geared to btrfs than one like ext4.

Last edited by DeepDayze (2022-11-27 02:42:08)

Colonel Panic · 2022-12-01 16:25:35

I updated Devuan (5.0 Daedalus) yesterday, a 1,223 MB download which is one of the biggest ones I've had so far. Apart from the problem I mentioned in the other thread with the hostname (and have sorted out now), it's all working well.

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 96#p124596

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2022-12-02 08:19:12)

Colonel Panic · 2022-12-08 17:56:50

eight.bit.al wrote:

Been using Salix, a user friendly Slackware spin.
Like a bonsai, Salix is small, light & the product of infinite care.
https://www.salixos.org/screenshots/thumb_Salix-Xfce-15.0-00.png
https://www.salixos.org/
Without question the most responsive Linux Spin I've ever used.
8bit

Yes, Salix is a good one. I'm using Slackel Openbox, which is based on Slackware, incorporates some Salix packages and is similar to Salix except that some things with it aren't "automated." I have to turn on my sound and internet connection anew every time I log in to it.

You do get used to it, but some people may feel it's an inconvenience they could do without.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2022-12-08 17:57:48)

PackRat · 2022-12-08 18:47:44

Colonel Panic wrote:

Yes, Salix is a good one. I'm using Slackel Openbox, which is based on Slackware, incorporates some Salix packages and is similar to Salix except that some things with it aren't "automated." I have to turn on my sound and internet connection anew every time I log in to it.
You do get used to it, but some people may feel it's an inconvenience they could do without.

SalixOS is based on Slackware, Slakel is based on Slackware current.

You shouldn't have to turn your sound and internet on every time you log in. The Salix/Slackel team are good people, ask in their forum and they'll get that fixed.

Martin · 2022-12-09 23:32:16

Colonel Panic wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
Been using Salix, a user friendly Slackware spin.
Like a bonsai, Salix is small, light & the product of infinite care.
https://www.salixos.org/screenshots/thumb_Salix-Xfce-15.0-00.png
https://www.salixos.org/
Without question the most responsive Linux Spin I've ever used.
8bit
Yes, Salix is a good one. I'm using Slackel Openbox, which is based on Slackware, incorporates some Salix packages and is similar to Salix except that some things with it aren't "automated." I have to turn on my sound and internet connection anew every time I log in to it.
You do get used to it, but some people may feel it's an inconvenience they could do without.

Worked really well for me as a live session in a virtual machine.

/Martin

Sector11 · 2022-12-10 13:07:11

I distro hop.

Debian → Debian → Debian → Debian → Debian.
Good enough for me.

Colonel Panic · 2022-12-10 18:32:45

PackRat wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
Yes, Salix is a good one. I'm using Slackel Openbox, which is based on Slackware, incorporates some Salix packages and is similar to Salix except that some things with it aren't "automated." I have to turn on my sound and internet connection anew every time I log in to it.
You do get used to it, but some people may feel it's an inconvenience they could do without.
SalixOS is based on Slackware, Slakel is based on Slackware current.
You shouldn't have to turn your sound and internet on every time you log in. The Salix/Slackel team are good people, ask in their forum and they'll get that fixed.

Thanks, and I may do in future but for now it's not really a big deal. It's like a manual transmission in a car (Americans would call it a "stick shift") - you get used to it. I use a batch file to turn on the internet and a command (alsactl init) to turn on the sound.

(I'm posting from Slackel now by the way.)

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2022-12-10 18:35:23)

hhh · 2022-12-11 07:09:31

Sector11 wrote:

I distro hop.
Debian → Debian → Debian → Debian → Debian.
Good enough for me.

I'm a bit more adventurous. Recently, Debian stable, Kali Linux (Debian stable), Parrot Linux (Debian stable), MX Linux (Debian stable), Ubuntu LTS (Debian testing/unstable snapshot, 5 year support cycle). Also BL, all flavors (Debian stable, stable, and more stable.)

Is it ain't broke...

el_koraco · 2022-12-11 09:46:20

I put together my new rig for the office - I can finally go full Linux even at work. The machine is seriously overkill:
AsRock B550m Steel Legend
Ryzen 5 4600g APU
WD Blue 570N nvme
32 GB of Crucial Ballistix DDR4 memory at 3200 MHz
Realtek LAN, Intel Wifi + BT combo

Everything works out of the box with Bullseye, provided you install the firmware image.

I fully expect to use this computer for 20 years.

00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Root Complex
	Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Root Complex
00:01.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe Dummy Host Bridge
00:02.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe Dummy Host Bridge
00:02.1 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe GPP Bridge
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:02.2 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe GPP Bridge
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:08.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe Dummy Host Bridge
00:08.1 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Internal PCIe GPP Bridge to Bus
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller (rev 51)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation FCH SMBus Controller
	Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
	Kernel modules: i2c_piix4, sp5100_tco
00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge (rev 51)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation FCH LPC Bridge
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 0
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 1
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 2
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 3
	Kernel driver in use: k10temp
	Kernel modules: k10temp
00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 4
00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 5
00:18.6 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 6
00:18.7 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir Device 24: Function 7
01:00.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43ee
	Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 1142
	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: xhci_pci
01:00.1 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43eb
	Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 1062
	Kernel driver in use: ahci
	Kernel modules: ahci
01:00.2 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43e9
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
02:04.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43ea
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
02:08.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43ea
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
02:09.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43ea
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp Device 5019 (rev 01)
	Subsystem: Sandisk Corp Device 5019
	Kernel driver in use: nvme
	Kernel modules: nvme
04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller (rev 05)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller
	Kernel driver in use: r8169
	Kernel modules: r8169
05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a)
	Subsystem: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200
	Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
	Kernel modules: iwlwifi
06:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp Device 501a
	Subsystem: Sandisk Corp Device 501a
	Kernel driver in use: nvme
	Kernel modules: nvme
07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Renoir (rev c9)
	Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Renoir
	Kernel driver in use: amdgpu
	Kernel modules: amdgpu
07:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device 1637
	Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device 1637
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
07:00.2 Encryption controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 10h-1fh) Platform Security Processor
	Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 10h-1fh) Platform Security Processor
	Kernel driver in use: ccp
	Kernel modules: ccp
07:00.3 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir USB 3.1
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Renoir USB 3.1
	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: xhci_pci
07:00.4 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir USB 3.1
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Renoir USB 3.1
	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: xhci_pci
07:00.6 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 10h-1fh) HD Audio Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Family 17h (Models 10h-1fh) HD Audio Controller
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel

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