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#51 2021-06-11 23:10:00

plemil
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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

As I got my new SSD last week, I spent some time during the weekend reinstalling my Helium box,
HP ZBook G2 (Intel i7-4810MQ (8) @ 3.800GHz, NVIDIA Quadro K2100M, 32G Ram). Did a bare metal install
with the non-free option. All went as expected until my router decided it where a perfect time to reboot...
Apart from that everything proceded without hickups. This until the first boot up of the system,  then I ended
with no working network, neither WiFi or with cabel. Did try some stuff mentioned in this tread but to no
avail. After some digging I found this:

Fix for not network after installing without desktop

that looked promissing. As I had already rebooted I booted once more from the install media and did
choose the Repair option. When I got to a terminal interface I did run a :

apt install network-manager

and after that when trough I probably did a

sudo apt-get update

aswell (frankly do not remember...)

Powered down and rebooted to Bunsen again and now I had a functioning network access.
Thought I should mention this if someone else run in to this issue, don't know if this is related
to the bare metal install, but it might maybe help someone else.

Up and running for some days now, trying to get the grips of jgmenu and what not. I do have one
box with a Lithium installed but I usually end up using this machine running Helium. Must confess I
really do like the teaming in Helium.
Good work from the Bunsen team as usual, really looking forward to the final Beryllium.

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#52 2021-06-13 02:51:20

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Has anyone tried a dist-upgrade to Beryllium?
Are there any known issues to that type of upgrade (other than the usual "it may break a working programme because ..." )

I ask because, prior to BL, I always did a dist-upgrade on Ubuntu and Crunchbang, without issue.

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#53 2021-06-13 05:19:29

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

^The Beryllium packages aren't yet in their final state, so a dist-upgrade right now, while giving you an idea if something is going to break or not, will otherwise be pretty much like Lithium.


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#54 2021-06-13 08:56:24

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

@johnraff.  That sounds fair enough. I don't think I am up to playing with broken packages at the moment, so I will leave it until closer to the release, then give it a go. Thanks.

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#55 2021-06-13 12:26:29

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

I have upgraded a couple of machines, the last yesterday, wihtout encountering any broken packages/dependencies or other hassles


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Introduction to the Bunsenlabs Lithium Desktop and other help topics under "Help Resources" on the BunsenLabs menu

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#56 2021-06-14 01:19:01

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

dhalgren wrote:

I don't think I am up to playing with broken packages at the moment, so I will leave it until closer to the release, then give it a go. Thanks.

I didn't mean to suggest that the Beryllium packages are broken - they are mostly pretty similar to Lithium atm - but that some of them might go through some changes before the final release, so dist-upgrading right now won't tell you much about changes to the Beryllium user interface. Under-the-hood issues, if any, should be visible right now though. I don't think there are likely to be many problems...


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#57 2021-06-14 03:58:56

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Ah, no worries. I didn't really think you were suggesting that there would be problems; it was more a statement of caution on my part, based on feeling less than well at the moment.

I will do a dist-upgrade in the near future, but will wait until I am feeling much better, was what I meant to suggest.

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#58 2021-09-23 15:55:17

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

FWIW: I followed the BL instructions for Beryllium update here (https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7356) and installed it with MXLinux 21 beta2 rather than Debian Bullseye.  Everything seems to work fine on my test machine. There are just a few items you ought to be aware of if you want to try this.

1. Setup MXLinux 21 b2 to run systemd as your default. This is to minimize any systemd dependencies that BL might have. I am assuming you don't want to fight those; I don't.
2. You do NOT need to add the Bullseye repo to MX21; it is setup with your original install.
3. Follow the rest of the BL instructions and things should work fine.

Remember, like with all of my work, I am able to provide the following assurance(s):

    It is almost certainly going to work until it breaks; although I have to admit it may never work and that would be sad.
    When/if it does break, you may keep all of the pieces.
    If you find my materials helpful, both you & I will be happy, at least for a little while.
    My advice is worth every penny you paid for it!


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#59 2021-10-06 08:33:43

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Is anybody else getting a "403 Forbidden" error from the kelaino.bunsenlabs repository for Beryllium? "The repository ... is not signed."

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#60 2021-10-06 10:17:38

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Yes, I saw it a couple of days ago, but have not retried since then. Have not seen any news here about it either, but just might be that I have overlooked something. smile


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#61 2021-10-06 13:10:26

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

I get the same messages each time I've tried this week.  (3 times on Monday & Tuesday).


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#62 2021-10-06 17:22:13

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

I've just confirmed the "unsigned" message.
Maybe it's related to the server maintainance on 3rd Oct?
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 66#p117766

I'll ask @twoion.


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#63 2021-10-06 18:42:04

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

What if you add "[trusted=yes]" to the apt repo entry in sources.list as a workaround till key is fixed? Is this possible with newest versions of apt?

eg:

...
deb [trusted=yes] https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/.....

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#64 2021-10-06 19:49:42

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

But there are no recent upgrades in Kelaino at the moment anyway.
I'm chipping away at the code on GitHub, but don't plan any package upgrades till mid-October at the earliest.

This issue will affect new installs of course, but I expect a fix will come soonish.


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#65 2021-10-06 21:19:58

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Adding [trusted=yes] does mitigate "the repository is not signed", but doesn't change the "403 forbidden" error.

It seems to me that the kelaino repository has had its access permissions changed and that is why the user machines are unable to verify if it is signed or not, as well as them being able to access it for updates.

I have commented out this repository on my machine for the time being so that apt can continue to get Debian packages from upstream.

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#66 2021-10-07 02:00:24

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

anyone27 wrote:

Adding [trusted=yes] does mitigate "the repository is not signed", but doesn't change the "403 forbidden" error.

It seems to me that the kelaino repository has had its access permissions changed and that is why the user machines are unable to verify if it is signed or not, as well as them being able to access it for updates.

I have commented out this repository on my machine for the time being so that apt can continue to get Debian packages from upstream.

That may be a very good possibility, so maybe there will be a fix forthcoming. However as Johnraff noted above there has not been any new updates in Kelaino so it should be OK to temporarily disable it.


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#67 2021-10-08 20:43:35

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Just succeeded at this on my beater refurb Dell.
It's been a while.  big_smile


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#68 2021-10-09 02:34:35

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bigbenaugust wrote:

Just succeeded at this on my beater refurb Dell.
It's been a while.  big_smile

Nice and I believe the key issue was fixed by  @Twoion so looks like Kelaino repo is working again.


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#69 2021-10-09 10:30:35

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Yes, it was a small config change during the recent server upgrade, and @twoion has dealt with it. smile


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#70 2021-10-12 18:01:09

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

The download links for the iso images in the op does not work, probably because they are very outdated.  Could be a good be a good idea to do an update of them. smile


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#71 2021-10-12 19:18:46

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Yes, use the latest "unofficial" non-free live images...

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unof … e+nonfree/

I'll update the OP, thanks.

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#72 2021-10-13 01:07:12

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

DeepDayze wrote:
bigbenaugust wrote:

Just succeeded at this on my beater refurb Dell.
It's been a while.  big_smile

Nice and I believe the key issue was fixed by  @Twoion so looks like Kelaino repo is working again.

Yup, the dev repo is 100% functional now.
And yes, use the unofficial netinstaller with firmware, esp. if you have a laptop and like wifi.


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#73 2021-10-15 11:57:55

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

So it turns out you can't do a Debian Bullseye -> Devuan Chimaera repo swap on a dev Beryllium setup, neither can you install bunsen-meta-all on Devuan 4 (dbus-user-session dependency). I did some high-quality science last night. big_smile


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#74 2021-10-15 12:56:54

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bigbenaugust wrote:

So it turns out you can't do a Debian Bullseye -> Devuan Chimaera repo swap on a dev Beryllium setup, neither can you install bunsen-meta-all on Devuan 4 (dbus-user-session dependency). I did some high-quality science last night. big_smile

But you can then cherry pick the parts of BL that do work in Devuan. The BL meta-all package pulls in everything for BL.

Think d-u-s has a dependency on Systemd which is verboten in Devuan...

You would have to do a pure Devuan setup at first, then manually install the BL metapackages that do work.

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#75 2021-10-15 13:54:17

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

DeepDayze wrote:

But you can then cherry pick the parts of BL that do work in Devuan. The BL meta-all package pulls in everything for BL.

Think d-u-s has a dependency on Systemd which is verboten in Devuan...

You would have to do a pure Devuan setup at first, then manually install the BL metapackages that do work.

That's where I'm heading, but it was late last night.


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