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ohnonot · 2021-05-31 17:16:35

^ wouldn't that be the answer to "What is the best way to train people to a simplistic view of the world, instead of seeing the gradients in it?"

Anyhow: Firefox gets much faster when you dig deep into the settings.
The same goes for Chrom/e/ium: Chromium by itself is probably faster than Chrome. Ungoogled Chromium is significantly faster than Chromium.
Firefox is probably still a tad slower.

glittersloth · 2021-05-31 17:59:14

ohnonot wrote:

^ wouldn't that be the answer to "What is the best way to train people to a simplistic view of the world, instead of seeing the gradients in it?"

What, you never heard of lolcat?! =P

I was trying to be PC, okay. Saying "legalize LSD" probably wouldn't have gone down so well in some quarters. You know, with the world lacking the ability to see gradients and all, my choice of recreational drug might pigeonhole me as a hippie, angering the firearms lobbyists.

Just like my opinion of Wrath of Man. I liked the film, but since it didn't feature female empowerment, I'm being called a right-wing chauvinist now. Da fuq! O_o?

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hhh · 2021-06-01 01:19:57

glittersloth wrote:

"legalize LSD"

Intriguing, but I think the people who want to do LSD are already doing it are have done enough of it.

Death penalty for parking tickets, that will get rid of a ton of self-entitled assholes right there.

jeffreyC · 2021-06-01 12:53:29

hhh wrote:

Death penalty for parking tickets, that will get rid of a ton of self-entitled assholes right there.

A pity we cannot have public floggings sometimes.

glittersloth · 2021-06-01 18:38:48

The new Firefox UI "proton" looks like garbage on all platforms.

Only just read about this. Those tabs!! Does this mean it no longer integrates with the tab style of our GTK theme anymore? If so, we're back at square one again. Moronzilla!!

glittersloth · 2021-06-02 05:50:51

^ Thanks for that, but it seems these switches will be dropped in the near future.
Won't even make it to the next ESR; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425#c2

Grim and a bit insensitive, but I'm sharing anyway;

someone on a comments section somewhere wrote:

The new design is adapted to cognitive and functional decline in COVID-19 survivors.

Haven't updated to FF89 yet. I'm currently on UbuntuLTS so it'll probably take a few days to make its way down to the repos. I generally don't judge before I've tried, but those tabs really do look awful.

Jimbo_G · 2021-06-02 07:51:14

I updated yesterday and no complaints from me. The new tabs are a big change but I actually quite like them. I would hardly say that FF88 was a UI masterpiece...

Is the problem with the tabs that they don't look like tabs in a IRL paper folder any more? See "toxic skeuomorphism" here: https://davidyat.es/2021/01/10/death-to-the-document/

el_koraco · 2021-06-02 09:05:35

The good folks at the Firefox Gnome theme have updated everything to normal. But on Windows, where Firefox used to look pretty good, this is jut plain murder.

el_koraco · 2021-06-02 10:27:33

Jimbo_G wrote:

Is the problem with the tabs that they don't look like tabs in a IRL paper folder any more? See "toxic skeuomorphism" here: https://davidyat.es/2021/01/10/death-to-the-document/

Weak contrast, more stolen screen real estate, pale on pale, the usual new school design inefficiencies. At least on Windows that is, I think GTK theming kind of improves on this, but I'm running the Gnome theme for Firefox on Linux, so I can't say. The tabs themselves are not bad, but everything else blows.

glittersloth · 2021-06-02 11:03:50

el_koraco wrote:

I think GTK theming kind of improves on this, but I'm running the Gnome theme for Firefox on Linux, so I can't say. The tabs themselves are not bad, but everything else blows.

What exactly does "Gnome theme for Firefox" mean? Stock FF without GTK integration, or the stock distro theme (usually Yaru or Adwaita)? From everything I've read, FF89 will use it's new floaty rounded tabs even if your system GTK has a different tab style. Screenshot if you don't mind, with something else like Nautilus with tabs open for comparison?

Edit:
Oh, did you mean this?
https://github.com/rafaelmardojai/firefox-gnome-theme
That actually looks quite alright. Very Epiphany-esque. Where do the extension icons go though?

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Sector11 · 2021-06-02 18:44:22

Looks like FireFox is going to go up in flames.

Instead of distro-hopping the new activity: browser-hopping

el_koraco · 2021-06-02 19:07:22

glittersloth wrote:

Edit:
Oh, did you mean this?
https://github.com/rafaelmardojai/firefox-gnome-theme
That actually looks quite alright. Very Epiphany-esque. Where do the extension icons go though?

Yessir, that is what I mean. It is meant to mimic Epiphany to the last detail, but you only get an Adwaita version. The extensions icons go where ever you want them. They get their own little white rectangle, like the menu or downloads or navigation icons.

jeffreyC · 2021-06-02 19:42:36

When theming something so it looks like GNOME improves it you know it is going down in flames.

Naik · 2021-06-02 20:42:35

jeffreyC wrote:

When theming something so it looks like GNOME improves it you know it is going down in flames.

+1

BTW I am on ff nightly from time to time (on bunsenlabs) and quit like the look too! I like it round...

naik --greetz

hhh · 2021-06-03 04:24:48

I'm sorry, what are you all on about? FF 89.0 looks fine here, except for the chopped tail fox icon (I dislike it a lot, but it's fine)...

Thanks for the heads up, firefox-esr is gone from my system.

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johnraff · 2021-06-03 06:33:35

firefox-esr is still 78 on Debian:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all
That's fine with me, but I suppose 89 will come sooner or later...

Jimbo_G · 2021-06-03 06:51:03

After a day spent working with it, I prefer FF89, both on my Windows work laptop and on my BL system with the default BL theme. I do agree that the default FF dark theme is lacking in contrast, and the default light theme is not much better. Luckily there are thousands of themes to choose from

dolly · 2021-06-03 07:23:55

Ok for me, I ´ll get used to it. Is there really any alternative?

ohnonot · 2021-06-05 05:28:55

johnraff wrote:

firefox-esr is still 78 on Debian:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all
That's fine with me, but I suppose 89 will come sooner or later...

glittersloth wrote:

it seems these switches will be dropped in the near future.
Won't even make it to the next ESR; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425#c2

I stopped worrying about this BS long ago. ESR it is.
Admittedly, some of the not-so-good changes make it into ESR, too, but it's been a significantly less bumpy ride.
Admittedly, sometimes I have to search for yet another hidden setting to disable some "improvement", but it's the same with, say, GNOME, or any other of the 2 large browsers available to us.

glittersloth · 2021-06-05 05:40:43

Update on my FF89 beatdown;

I tried that Firefox-Gnome-Theme @el_k mentioned but didn't end up liking it, despite thinking I would. For one, it's designed for Adwaita, meaning Adwaita GTK and icons. I'm okay with the GTK (referring to the dark version, obviously) since it's got decent contrast and has some HIG conformation, but hate the icons with a passion. If I use that fix with my preferred icons, Papirus, the browser navigation buttons are fuzzy and darkened (documented in the readme). The other reason is that the padding is just to big. Probably okay for a large desktop monitor, but not a 13" 1080p laptop screen.

I settled on this instead;
https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix (Proton style)
https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI … oton-style (what I'm using)
Not perfect, but for me it's the best compromise at this point in time. The fastest way is to just turn on the disable.proton switches in about:config, but those will be deprecated in FF90, so I figured fixing it via userChrome.css here will at least provide more mileage. Not sure how it fares for those of you who already employ a custom user.js though.

Fwiw, I actually like a lot of what the new Proton UI offers. In isolation, I like the neon colors and some of the new dialogs. Trouble is, I can't review it in isolation. If I wanted every application looking like its own island, I'd just use the insult to human dignity that is Windows. On Linux, I expect a certain level of consistency across the desktop. Tab style of my browser should match the tab style of my file manager, for instance. I realize the days of total uniformity died when they moved to GTK3 (did I mention I loathe CSS), so I'm probably fighting a losing battle here, like a Tamil Tiger in Sri Lanka. I figure by the time that happens I'll have moved to an iPad Pro as laptop replacement anyway (because FF might be dead by then at the rate they're going), and have Linux relegated to VPS droplets, HTPC and routers.

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