Distro-hoppers anonymous

Colonel Panic · 2021-04-18 09:03:53

jeffreyC wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
I think this is one of the Puppy Linux family of distros. I tried it out briefly this evening and it seems to work well except that Pale Moon has a tendency to "freeze up" and become unresponsive when playing Youtube videos (on my system anyway).
Not directly a Puppy Linux, but made with some ideas from it by some of the Puppy forum members.

Thanks. I have a soft spot for Puppy as it was one of the first Linux distros I ever used (back in 2006), and for a long time it was the only distro which allowed you to save a live session and then reload it at a later date with all the settings intact.

On the subject of distros made with ideas from some of the Puppy forum, I like the look of Barry Kauler's recent project EasyOS and look forward to trying it soon; Barry was Puppy's original creator and Puppy's development is still governed by the ideas he incorporated into it, such as Woof-CE, Puppy's official build system which facilitates the construction of a Puppy distro from another base such as Debian or Slackware.

https://puppylinux.com/woof-ce.html

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deleted0 · 2021-04-18 11:19:49

Colonel Panic wrote:

I like the look of Barry Kauler's recent project EasyOS and look forward to trying it soon;

It's been a year or so since I last looked at EasyOS; a very interesting project. Thanks for the reminder.

https://easyos.org/about/how-and-why-ea … erent.html

8bit

Colonel Panic · 2021-04-18 17:13:20

eight.bit.al wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
I like the look of Barry Kauler's recent project EasyOS and look forward to trying it soon;
It's been a year or so since I last looked at EasyOS; a very interesting project. Thanks for the reminder.
https://easyos.org/about/how-and-why-ea … erent.html
8bit

You're welcome. I agree it looks very interesting especially Barry's use of containers.

The only question mark I can see is his liking for jwm (which Puppy also uses), which although it works passably well is one of the less configurable and capable window managers out there - you can't set it up to be able to middle-click on the desktop and get a listing of all the open windows, for example, which I do a lot in other WMs such as Openbox and XFce.

hhh · 2021-04-19 00:37:27

Colonel Panic wrote:

The only question mark I can see is his liking for jwm (which Puppy also uses), which although it works passably well is one of the less configurable and capable window managers out there - you can't set it up to be able to middle-click on the desktop and get a listing of all the open windows, for example, which I do a lot in other WMs such as Openbox and XFce.

But jwm is so minimal that you can easily install another WM or DE along with or instead of it.

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sleekmason · 2021-04-19 01:45:50

Jwm is 529KB Can grab a basket of WM's and never get full.

DeepDayze · 2021-04-19 02:18:05

sleekmason wrote:

Jwm is 529KB Can grab a basket of WM's and never get full.

I use jwm as a backup WM in case Openbox breaks or has an issue or that I mess up the config enough to make it unusable. From within jwm I can then say reinstall OB and reconfigure.

deleted0 · 2021-04-19 02:19:44

Speaking of JWM, first up in the basket of distro hopping updates is Sparky 6 Feather:

Bullseye with a lightweight JWM/PCmanFM desktop.

https://osdn.net/projects/sparkylinux-6 … r-edition/

A user contributed spin. Pre-installed software:

Redshift screen color temperature adjuster
Mousepad text editor
Firefox-esr web browser
Mute e-mail client
Blueman bluetooth support
Xarchiver archiving tool
Galculator
Ristretto image viewer
Xpdf pdf viewer
Xscreensaver
LXterminal
Synaptic package manager with xapian index
Mplayer media player

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Next up:

Salient OS - An Arch Linux Operating System
Salient OS is a rolling-release distribution aimed at Creative Multi-Media and Gaming Enthusiasts.

https://salientos.github.io/

Archlinux Base
BIOS or UEFI
Rolling Release Model
AUR Support (if needed)
PAMAC / YAY Included
XFCE / KDE Plasma
Calamares Installer
Optimised for Gamers (gamemode, dxvk etc)
Optimised for Multimedia (realtime audio config)
CUPS Printer Support
Quick Menu Access
Lutris / Steam Included
System Limits Optimised (limits.conf / user.conf)

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But don't go anywhere because:

BluestarLinux (an Arch Linux-based distribution)

Bluestar provides the following features:

Up-to-date Kernel
Wide Variety of Applications - Always Current Versions
Full Development / Desktop / Multimedia Environment

https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/

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Until next time!

8bit

edit: sharp eyed readers may notice an upgrade for the test machine.

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Colonel Panic · 2021-04-19 10:39:11

sleekmason wrote:

Jwm is 529KB Can grab a basket of WM's and never get full.

(and others who have commented on jwm)

True, and some Puppy users did install other WMs - a popular choice is / was IceWM, which does allow middle-clicking on the desktop to bring up a listing of all the open windows. The only problem I've found with IceWM (which I'm using at the moment in Bunsen, to prove a point) is that it looks "retro" and doesn't seem to have been updated for a while.

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jeffreyC · 2021-04-19 13:21:54

Colonel Panic wrote:

The only question mark I can see is his liking for jwm (which Puppy also uses), which although it works passably well is one of the less configurable and capable window managers out there - you can't set it up to be able to middle-click on the desktop and get a listing of all the open windows, for example, which I do a lot in other WMs such as Openbox and XFce.

I can tolerate JWM (with a non-hideous config).
What I have huge problems with is rox-filer which is also why I have problems with antiX.
Both of them use rox to take over the desktop, so they can have icons on the desktop (which I also do not like).

DeepDayze · 2021-04-19 19:08:39

Colonel Panic wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
Jwm is 529KB Can grab a basket of WM's and never get full.
(and others who have commented on jwm)
True, and some Puppy users did install other WMs - a popular choice is / was IceWM, which does allow middle-clicking on the desktop to bring up a listing of all the open windows. The only problem I've found with IceWM (which I'm using at the moment in Bunsen, to prove a point) is that it looks "retro" and doesn't seem to have been updated for a while.

IceWM is pretty much the lightest of all the stacking WM's...anything lighter pretty much is mainly a tiler.

Sometimes the retro look is pretty pleasing to the old-timers, so IceWM deserves a place on your machine

PackRat · 2021-04-19 20:37:57

DeepDayze wrote:

Sometimes the retro look is pretty pleasing to the old-timers, so IceWM deserves a place on your machine

If you have decent Gimp skills and some patience, IceWM can look pretty good.

el_koraco · 2021-04-19 21:03:50

jeffreyC wrote:

Both of them use rox to take over the desktop, so they can have icons on the desktop (which I also do not like).

you should try Gnome then (:ducks:)

hhh · 2021-04-19 23:37:15

el_koraco wrote:

jeffreyC wrote:
Both of them use rox to take over the desktop, so they can have icons on the desktop (which I also do not like).
you should try Gnome then (:ducks:)

BTW, el_k is currently using GNOME, I believe, and I'm on Cinnamon with no desktop icons (also ducks).

ohnonot · 2021-04-20 04:12:16

Colonel Panic wrote:

The only question mark I can see is his liking for jwm (which Puppy also uses), which although it works passably well is one of the less configurable and capable window managers out there

Agreed. Also manual tiling capabilities (window manipulation keybinds) are practically non-existent.
Can't argue the installation size, though. And it includes a panel, yes?

Colonel Panic wrote:

The only problem I've found with IceWM (which I'm using at the moment in Bunsen, to prove a point) is that it looks "retro" and doesn't seem to have been updated for a while.

Disagreed on both points:

themes
Quote from their website: "The latest released version is 2.3.2 (2021-04-15)."

And it includes a panel...
But I believe its manual tiling capabilities are equally limited.
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And as I wrote elsewhere about comparing WMs:

ohnonot wrote:

the comparative bars graphics are hardly more than meaningless populism; it's only useful for a complete newb to get their bearings on the DE market.
a comparison like that would have to include much more to be truly useful.
e.g., if i use KDE i get all sorts of desktop widgets. are they included in the graph or not?
and if i use openbox with a conky, should the conky be added to openbox' ram usage (to make the comparison fair)?
etc...

deleted0 · 2021-04-20 16:32:32

Easy OS author has a utility that looks interesting:

EasyDD

Another Linux tool is the EasyDD utility, that may be run in a terminal on the commandline, or as a GUI. Even if you like to use the commandline in Linux, it is good to use EasyDD rather than dd, as EasyDD helps to choose the correct target-drive, and does a lot of sanity checking. Even wiz's can make dumb mistakes!

EasyDD verifies writes:
A good reason to choose EasyDD is that it now does two-stage verification. Firstly, the inverse of the image file (all bits flipped) is written to the drive, then read back to verify. Secondly, the actual image file is written, then verified. This verification has limited usefulness with SSDs, that have error correction in hardware, however likely to be very useful with cheap Flash sticks.

https://easyos.org/install/how-to-write … drive.html Half way down the page.

I haven't tried it yet.

8bit

DeepDayze · 2021-04-21 02:32:34

PackRat wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
Sometimes the retro look is pretty pleasing to the old-timers, so IceWM deserves a place on your machine
If you have decent Gimp skills and some patience, IceWM can look pretty good.

I took a look at some of those themes and love the Ice-Matcha one so maybe I'll play with IceWM again

DeepDayze · 2021-04-21 02:34:15

el_koraco wrote:

jeffreyC wrote:
Both of them use rox to take over the desktop, so they can have icons on the desktop (which I also do not like).
you should try Gnome then (:ducks:)

hhh wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
jeffreyC wrote:
Both of them use rox to take over the desktop, so they can have icons on the desktop (which I also do not like).
you should try Gnome then (:ducks:)
BTW, el_k is currently using GNOME, I believe, and I'm on Cinnamon with no desktop icons (also ducks).

Lol El_k and Triple H ducking over GNOME

GNOME has its place too ya know so don't be afraid!!!

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hhh · 2021-04-21 05:21:32

DeepDayze wrote:

GNOME has its place too ya know so don't be afraid!!!

Dude, I love my Cinnamon installs.

BTW, did anyone see the news that Slackware is back?

https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/04/slackware-15-0-beta/

PackRat · 2021-04-21 09:42:12

BTW, did anyone see the news that Slackware is back?

Saw that information on the Slackware forum at Linuxquestions. Good news.

And Slackware never left; you can always get the Slackware-cutrent iso. The Slackware "development" releases. Pretty stable.

Colonel Panic · 2021-04-21 11:45:12

DeepDayze wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
sleekmason wrote:
Jwm is 529KB Can grab a basket of WM's and never get full.
(and others who have commented on jwm)
True, and some Puppy users did install other WMs - a popular choice is / was IceWM, which does allow middle-clicking on the desktop to bring up a listing of all the open windows. The only problem I've found with IceWM (which I'm using at the moment in Bunsen, to prove a point) is that it looks "retro" and doesn't seem to have been updated for a while.
IceWM is pretty much the lightest of all the stacking WM's...anything lighter pretty much is mainly a tiler.
Sometimes the retro look is pretty pleasing to the old-timers, so IceWM deserves a place on your machine

Agreed, it's just that the themes IceWM packages as standard haven't changed in at least 10 years. The themes PackRat links to are good though (I'm using Mint Grey at the moment).

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