October 2020 Screenshot Thread

phuturism · 2020-10-19 04:23:38

cog wrote:

Trying out yaxwm on fedora 33 beta.
https://scrot.cloud/images/2020/10/11/screenshot-1602372672.th.png

I'm really liking these minimalist tiled looks you are posting cog. I'm making another thread elsewhere about my attempts to get bspwm working on BL.

Meanwhile, nothing special here but a nice wallpaper of sunset in Jakarta, photo taken from one of my colleagues offices... Jakarta is one of those Asian megapolis where traditional housing sits pretty close to modern skyscrapers.

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glittersloth · 2020-10-20 16:04:50

Been trying out Ubuntu the last few days. Figured I'd troll here, snapd crud and all, once before wiping it.

*ducks*

...and yes, I seem to have forgotten how to theme a desktop. I blame society.

phuturism · 2020-10-21 02:43:59

glittersloth wrote:

Been trying out Ubuntu the last few days. Figured I'd troll here, snapd crud and all, once before wiping it.
https://i.postimg.cc/JDhqrT6C/Screenshot-from-2020-10-20-23-52-06.png
*ducks*
...and yes, I seem to have forgotten how to theme a desktop. I blame society.

something about that scheme appeals! Ubuntu was my first linux distro, like many of us I suppose...

ohnonot · 2020-10-21 08:04:29

glittersloth wrote:

Been trying out Ubuntu the last few days. Figured I'd troll here, snapd crud and all, once before wiping it.

I tried Pop_OS on my laptop before settling back on Archlinux.
I did like it a lot, it seemed to fit like a glove.
But in the end, you cannot replace that old, worn leather jacket with a designer jacket, however well designed it may be...

Kinda going in a similar direction currently.
I don't usually like distro branding, but this is just too nice not to use, and goes well with Yaru colours.

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cog · 2020-10-21 09:35:11

@sloth @ohnonot

Xubuntu 20.04 is a great distro. You can remove all the snap stuff unless you want chromium.

The only complaint I hade about any debian based distro is the use of “recommended” packages by default. It’s impossible to know what’s installed with the way recommends work.

Pacman and dnf are a lot more predictable with the way they do dependencies.

@phuturism

Thanks. Keep us posted with your endeavors.

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hhh · 2020-10-21 18:22:22

phuturism wrote:

glittersloth wrote:
Been trying out Ubuntu the last few days. Figured I'd troll here, snapd crud and all, once before wiping it.
https://i.postimg.cc/JDhqrT6C/Screenshot-from-2020-10-20-23-52-06.png
*ducks*
...and yes, I seem to have forgotten how to theme a desktop. I blame society.
something about that scheme appeals! Ubuntu was my first linux distro, like many of us I suppose...

Oh yeah. I was afraid to try Linux/Ubuntu until Wubi came along. That's from, what, Feisty, maybe earlier, running on Windows XP? Some decent free software for the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(software)

-edit- @slob, you haven't lost your theming touch. That Gaia-esque theme is on point.

phuturism · 2020-10-22 02:31:16

What tipped me over the edge to GNU-Linux was trying to set up a pirated version of Windows Media edition so i could record digital free-to-air tv. after doing the install the cracked password didn't work so a friend in IT at work put me onto MythTv on linux and the rest is history. Lesson learnt - using free/open things is often better than using stolen things

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johnraff · 2020-10-22 02:36:30

cog wrote:

The only complaint I had about any debian based distro is the use of “recommended” packages by default. It’s impossible to know what’s installed with the way recommends work.

There was a lot of trouble when install-recommends first became the default setting (it can be changed of course) because developers had been setting anything they could think of as a Recommends of their package - things that now should be "Suggests". I don't think it's so bad now. As to knowing what's installed, surely 'apt-get install <package>' always asks before installing anything you didn't ask for?

According to Debian Policy, Recommends should be packages that it would be "unusual" not to co-install, but still leaving users free to opt out if they want. That's what BL do with inter-package dependencies and I think it works OK. Generally packages draw in what they need to work normally, but a user who wants to cherrypick can do 'apt-get install --no-install-recommends ...'

cog · 2020-10-22 04:47:37

@John

For sure. Good overview man.

I was speaking from the point of view that if you install a debian based distro you have all this stuff installed and if you uninstall something it still leaves packages behind that were recommends. The only way around it it to debootarap and build it up from scratch and configure apt to not do recommends or pass it at install time. Then if you do an uninstall it will remove everything you intended to install.

I’ve been running Xububtu mostly this year. I use Arch, BL and Fedora though to do cross platform testing though.

My theory is to never uninstall anything that the base install has, but to configure apt to do no recommends after the base install then you can confidently uninstall anything you add etc.

This would be the same approach that I’d take to BL as well.

The trade off of such a solid base a debian distro can provide vs not knowing exactly what you got installed is acceptable to me.

Of course you could figure it out if you tracked down every recommends but that kind of defies the point of the convenience of debian.

Anyways that’s just stuff I’ve contemplated more than is important.

johnraff · 2020-10-22 06:56:31

cog wrote:

I was speaking from the point of view that if you install a debian based distro you have all this stuff installed and if you uninstall something it still leaves packages behind that were recommends.

That's annoying, agreed. The remaining recommended packages should all be marked as automatically installed, and I still don't really understand why they aren't all offered for removal with 'apt-get autoremove'.

Yes, it's a playoff between convenience and control, as usual. Today's huge drives make it easier to just leave things installed, but it's certainly not ideal.

rbh · 2020-10-22 10:48:15

cog wrote:

I was speaking from the point of view that if you install a debian based distro you have all this stuff installed and if you uninstall something it still leaves packages behind that were recommends.

sudo apt autoremove

would not that clean also recomended packages?

Sector11 · 2020-10-22 14:41:16

No not always - some files get "hijacked"

one of the reasons I use:

sudo apt install --no-install-recommends

I do not have "ghostwriter" on my system but:

aptitude show ghostwriter

will show me: depends, recommends and suggested packages.

After removing ghostwriter I can always do a

aptitude why filename

if I think there are leftovers seen in:

aptitude show ghostwriter

Lots of work!

hhh · 2020-10-23 22:10:07

I guess I take a slightly more passive approach. I'm not worried about a few packages getting left out if I remove something with autoremove --purge, but I will take a look at outputs for both install and install --no-install-recommends when I'm adding a major package and make a decision. I can always remove and reinstall if I change my mind. But, I run stable, your way sounds better running testing or sid.

Maybe every few months when I'm bored I run dpkg -l and scroll through the list to see what I have. Occasionally I remove something. Also, the package list running apt upgrade sometimes looks odd (not something I remember installing or using), and I'll investigate it and sometimes remove a package or two.

johnraff · 2020-10-24 07:07:37

@Sector11 thanks, that "hijacking of recommends" explanation makes sense.

@hhh that's usually what I do too. ( I caught a suspicious geolocation daemon the other day that had crept in with some Gnome utility I was testing. )

Sector11 · 2020-10-24 14:53:07

@ John - I thought you would have known about that since the #! days, that's where I learned about it. It was the reason these came about if anyone cares to have them:

alias up2='sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade --no-install-recommends'
alias sup2='sudo apt update && apt upgrade --no-install-recommends --simulate'

alias get='sudo apt install --no-install-recommends'
alias getr='sudo apt install'
alias sget='apt install --no-install-recommends --simulate'
alias sgetr='apt install --simulate'

alias rget='sudo apt install --reinstall --no-install-recommends'
alias rgetr='sudo apt install --reinstall'
alias srget='apt install --reinstall --no-install-recommends --simulate'
alias srgetr='apt install --reinstall --simulate'

alias aremv='sudo apt-get autoremove --purge'
alias saremv='apt-get autoremove --purge --simulate'
alias remv='sudo apt remove'
alias sremv='apt remove --simulate'
alias prg='sudo apt-get purge'
alias sprg='apt-get purge --simulate'

among others, because we all know about my "tpyo" skills

## CHECK DEPENDENCIES OF PACKAGES
##   depends shows a listing of each dependency a package has and all the
##   possible other packages that can fulfill that dependency.
alias dep='echo "alias dep=apt-cache depends" && apt-cache depends'
##   rdepends shows a listing of each reverse dependency a package has.
alias rdep='echo "alias apt-cache rdepends filename" && apt-cache rdepends'
##        or OMG it's a list of depends depending on depends
alias rrdep='echo "alias apt-rdepends filename" && apt-rdepends'

## check
##   check is a diagnostic tool && it updates the package cache and checks for
##   broken dependencies.
##   S11 NOTE: Doesn't work if autoclean or autoremove was used - obvious
alias check='echo "sudo apt-get check" && sudo apt-get check'

## If you want to see why apt decided to remove it though, run this command (it's in simulation mode)
alias seewhy='LANG=C apt dist-upgrade -s -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1'

My alias file and functions file have been following me around since my very early days with Linux. Some date back to by first distro, Ubu.

Now back the un-hijacking this thread .... I AM ROOT!
<-->
S11 ROOT! Now there's a scary thought.

hhh · 2020-10-24 22:48:06

On topic, and relevant, but still my usual.

"Hold it!... right there, package."

https://i.postimg.cc/0jNQ37rD/Screensho … -49-03.png

I always wondered why it wasn't 'upgradeable', I guess the developers were Brits...

Definition of 'upgradable'
Word Frequency
upgradable in British English
or upgradeable (ˈʌpɡreɪdəbəl)
adjective
(of a computer) having the ability to be made more powerful or efficient
an upgradeable memory
upgradeable software
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

False alarm, the guns have been locked up. It was tzdata. I'm 'upgradeing' it now. Yay, English! :monkey:

PackRat · 2020-10-25 19:27:39

link

hhh · 2020-10-26 03:11:20

@PackRat, nice. Is the panel tint2?

Döbbie03 · 2020-10-26 03:22:23

dwm, with a fantastic wallpaper from a photo taken by a friend.

hhh · 2020-10-26 03:31:31

Dobbie03 wrote:

... a fantastic wallpaper from a photo taken by a friend.

Wow. Straight out of a movie.

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