Testing Lithium iso discussion

DeepDayze · 2020-04-12 01:16:09

johnraff wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
One idea for that is having BL-Welcome detect it's running on a 32 bit OS and tailoring the questions to suggest adding/removing any 32 bit stuff to customize the install for that machine.
bl-welcome is already detecting that the system was installed from a CD, and, if so, suggesting installing bunsen-meta-all to get the full BL software set. When other possibilities specific for old 32bit computers have been put together and tested, then maybe those options could be added, but this won't be in time for the Lithium release.

That makes sense and a good plan for the next release after Lithium, or at least maybe in a point release.

johnraff wrote:

rbh wrote:
About what software: light alternatives: Abiword and Gnumeric, instead of LibreOffice.
Agreed - I think we've already left LibreOffice off the CD iso. I'm not an Abiword fan, though, unless it's improved recently.
Many old i386 laptops, do not have the super key.
I didn't know this - thanks for the warning!

Abiword is at 3.0.2 in Buster, but haven't really played with it.

rbh · 2020-04-12 08:42:55

johnraff wrote:

I'm not an Abiword fan, though, unless it's improved recently.

I do not know what other alternative there is. If we are talking of wordprocessor, with WYSIWYG-approach. good language support, available in Debian repo.

But if we are talking about textprocessing, there is other alternatives like lyx. But then there is the learning-curve...

Abiword is easyer to manage for those who used M$ Word, Libre Office Writer and so on.
Abiword is nowadays stable, For some years ago, it often crached. Not now.

johnraff · 2020-04-12 09:16:09

^ I tried abiword for a while, long ago, and along with some general bugginess found it impossible to use in Japanese although it claimed to support it. It may have improved.

If all a user needs is to be able to open and read Microsoft Word documents then I think there are some lightweight utilities for this.

For a real word processor I'd personally recommend LibreOffice Writer with just the minimal dependencies, and put up with the heavy system load, but without investing some time into testing abiword it's not possible to dismiss it I guess.

DeepDayze · 2020-04-12 22:41:39

johnraff wrote:

^ I tried abiword for a while, long ago, and along with some general bugginess found it impossible to use in Japanese although it claimed to support it. It may have improved.
If all a user needs is to be able to open and read Microsoft Word documents then I think there are some lightweight utilities for this.
For a real word processor I'd personally recommend LibreOffice Writer with just the minimal dependencies, and put up with the heavy system load, but without investing some time into testing abiword it's not possible to dissmiss it I guess.

That might be a good option on 32 bit if there's enough room on the CD for Libreoffice Writer and gnumeric for a basic spreadsheet app. The full LO suite can be offered as an install thru BL-Welcome after installation.

johnraff · 2020-04-13 00:15:54

^Well, until it comes to a trial build we won't know, but my guess is that to get the next CD iso small enough to actually fit on a CD (~700MB), we'll have to leave a lot of software out, likely including LibreOffice in any form. It will be up to the user to install it later. Gnumeric might fit OK though.

DeepDayze · 2020-04-13 01:01:50

johnraff wrote:

^Well, until it comes to a trial build we won't know, but my guess is that to get the next CD iso small enough to actually fit on a CD (~700MB), we'll have to leave a lot of software out, likely including LibreOffice in any form. It will be up to the user to install it later. Gnumeric might fit OK though.

Yes you are right...700MB does not sound like a lot of room unless stronger compression is utilized for the squashfs on the ISO.

johnraff · 2020-04-13 02:14:37

^The CD build already uses stronger compression than the regular one. I don't know if there's much slack left there.

DeepDayze · 2020-04-13 02:54:08

johnraff wrote:

^The CD build already uses stronger compression than the regular one. I don't know if there's much slack left there.

Oh that's good to know

shaocaholica · 2020-04-24 06:21:02

Are there really that many old 32bit systems that can't boot from USB but will otherwise run Lithium fine? I have a collection of old systems and anything that is fast enough for modern web browsing can easily boot from USB.

johnraff · 2020-04-26 10:51:54

^Machines that can't boot from a USB stck, but would otherwise be OK with Lithium? Rather few I'd agree, though a slimmed-down Lithium might be just about usable on such a machine. Agreed, again, the main problem is the modern internet. (Try dillo instead of firefox for a javascript-free internet experience. It's certainly fast at least.)

But from Lithium we don't plan to provide a separate 32bit fullsized iso, so the 32bit non-pae CD iso will be the compromise solution. 32 bit users can start there and build up or strip down.

Martin · 2020-04-26 14:15:32

Hmmm, I don't think my desktop computer boots from USB but it is happily running a Helium/Debian 10 combo. It is a 64-bit system and it is some ten years old. It does everything I want a personal computer to do and I expect it to run Lithium as well. I would be very disappointed otherwise.

/Martin

johnraff · 2020-04-27 03:12:40

^I've got a 32bit laptop older than that, running Lithium OK. As far as 1GB of RAM and a Centrino CPU can be "OK" on today's WWW. It's fine for coding anyway.

But I would be surprised if any 64bit machine was unable to boot from a USB stick. It might require some setting changing in the BIOS?

hhh · 2020-04-27 19:29:12

Martin wrote:

Hmmm, I don't think my desktop computer boots from USB but it is happily running a Helium/Debian 10 combo. It is a 64-bit system and it is some ten years old. It does everything I want a personal computer to do and I expect it to run Lithium as well. I would be very disappointed otherwise.
/Martin

Post the computer brand and model number, let's see what we can see. Open a new thread in this dev forum with the info and an appropriate title. Thanks.

johnraff · 2020-04-28 02:40:24

Martin wrote:

Hmmm, I don't think my desktop computer boots from USB but it is happily running a Helium/Debian 10 combo. It is a 64-bit system...

Come to think of it, we've never released a 64 bit CD iso, so either you installed Helium from a USB stick or else you're running a 32 bit system with a 64 bit processor. (This is quite possible btw.)

Anyway, as @hhh says, a new thread would be better for this topic.

Martin · 2020-05-03 20:01:04

johnraff wrote:

Martin wrote:
Hmmm, I don't think my desktop computer boots from USB but it is happily running a Helium/Debian 10 combo. It is a 64-bit system...
Come to think of it, we've never released a 64 bit CD iso, so either you installed Helium from a USB stick or else you're running a 32 bit system with a 64 bit processor. (This is quite possible btw.)
Anyway, as @hhh says, a new thread would be better for this topic.

I finally had the presence of mind to interrupt the booting process and check -- I think you are right in thinking a 64-bit motherboard should support USB-booting. The boot order is HHD -- removable media -- CD/DVD-R/W unit. Strangely enough I have no recollection of having ever booted this machine from an USB stick and yes, it is a 64-bit system. I guess my memory is ailing.

/Martin

yunn · 2020-05-10 19:50:38

Hi everyone, a simple question please, with Blob Themes Manager for Lithium, can I use any theme of Helium ?
Thank you

damo · 2020-05-10 20:19:38

yunn wrote:

Hi everyone, a simple question please, with Blob Themes Manager for Lithium, can I use any theme of Helium ?
Thank you

BLOB just saves whichever themes you have set. Gtk/OB/icon/etc themes aren't BL-specific.

hhh · 2020-05-11 21:29:26

Helium themes (final)...

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-themes

Lithium themes (still in progress)...

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-th … ee/lithium

CooKiECruNChEr43 · 2020-07-12 17:01:36

I installed and tested Lithium. I encountered no problems.

CPU~Quad core AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics (-MCP-) speed/max~1600/2200 MHz Kernel~4.4.0-185-generic x86_64 Up~11:59 Mem~5928.3/7654.9MB HDD~1000.2GB(57.4% used) Procs~263 Client~Shell inxi~2.2.35

I installed it virtually with virt-manager (http://virt-manager.org/).

randomeur · 2020-07-18 11:01:26

jimjamz wrote:

Hi all,
I'm not sure where the most appropriate place is for raising bugs for Lithium seeing as it's still in pre-release. I didn't want to pollute the bugs section as it seemed unfair. Please advise.
I have Lithium on bare metal hardware, Lenovo Thinkpad x270.
When BL goes into standby/sleep after a period of inactivity, it is not always possible to wake the BL session. The power key light throbs indicating the hardware is in standby. Pressing SPACE or other keys does not wake the device. Pressing the power button wakes the hardware (solid power light) but the screen does not activate. Pressing any keys subsequently also does not enable the screen.
The same scenario occurs if the device lid is closed then opened. The power light moves from throbbing to solid but the screen does not enable. The screen is also not backlit, indicating it has not been enabled.
The device only reacts to a semi-long press (1 second) of the power button which sends the shutdown signal. This is the only occurrence when the screen enables to display the power off sequence.
Before having BL Lithium as the host OS on the device, I had Debian 10 which suffered none of these issues. The device would wake immediately on key press, power button press or lid open.
Is this an ACPI issue in Lithium?

Can confirm that I have the same exact issue as jimjamz on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon (model 20A7; CPU: i5 - 4300U; integrated Intel graphics; kernel: 4.19.0-9-amd64).

Typing in the password on a dark, blank screen works and I can log in. But the screen won't turn on until then.

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