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#26 2020-05-23 00:33:22

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^I haven't looked on diodon, but most clipboard managers seem to offer the choice of deleting the history on shutdown, or not. I'd guess the default would be delete, for privacy reasons.


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#27 2020-05-23 17:44:53

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Today I updated an Debian 11 (Testing - Bullsey) LXDE box.
I got the message "ClipIt has been deprecated and is no longer supported.".

I do not like neither diodon nor xfce4-clipman. They draw more memmory, not possible to search.
There i many more cplimanagers...


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#28 2020-05-23 22:45:55

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Yes, it looks indeed as if clipit is deprecated on Debian Bullseye (ie for BL Beryllium) and a little notification script has been added (changelog): https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/ … _changelog
I think the last line in the top entry "Diodon will be removed from Debian after Bullseye is released." is a typo for "Clipit will...".

@rbh if you find a nice simple clipboard manager please post!


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#29 2020-05-24 00:42:49

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

You guys will have to clue me in, because one of the first things I do with a BL install is remove ClipIt.

What is the advantage of a clipboard manager over Linux's native copy/paste actions?

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#30 2020-05-24 02:16:34

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^ It's copy/paste with history. Usually selectable, save the last 5, or 10, or however many copy actions to choose from.

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#31 2020-05-24 09:07:15

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^ add to that a hotkey that pops up the history, select entry with Up/Dn & Return.
Also useful to synchronise primary selection and clipboard.
One of those "can't live without it" utilities.


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#32 2020-05-27 05:47:08

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^^^ ^^ ^ The first thing that hit me with Linux Copy/Paste was that if you make a selection, do Ctrl+C, then close the window the selection was in, it's gone! The copy'd text doesn't go into a cache anywhere, it's just a reference.

A clipboard manager fixes that.
History is useful if you want to collect quotes out of a long text, for example.
I don't use the other nifty functions a clipboard manager usually offers, but agree it's indispensible.


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#33 2020-05-28 05:55:52

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

The first thing that hit me with Linux Copy/Paste was that if you make a selection, do Ctrl+C, then close the window the selection was in, it's gone!

That also.
BTW, last time I used a Windwos machine this happened to me also.


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#34 2020-05-28 08:49:03

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^I don't think it happened that way in W98...


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#35 2020-12-19 12:12:33

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Naik wrote:
johnraff wrote:
Naik wrote:

busenlabs lithium just told me (via popup after login) that clipit is deprecated and was replaced by diodon...

Sorry, this is not our doing. We haven't touched clipit in any way - I've no idea where that popup is coming from.

I found out this happened when I integrated the Kali-linux repository for the sake of kali-meta-peckages.
This was a bad idea anyways.. so never mind.

Yesterdy I migrated an BL VM to Bullsey, got thap poppup message about clipit replaced by diodon. Packages.debian.org says now about clipit in bullseye and sid:

(misc): lightweight GTK+ clipboard manager (deprecated)

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#36 2020-12-20 20:58:14

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

^ Oh poor boy clipit! So we will loose you for sure?

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#37 2020-12-25 12:28:54

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

What about qlipper?

$ apt show 2>/dev/null qlipper
Package: qlipper
Version: 1:5.1.2-1
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Maintainer: LXQt Packaging Team <pkg-lxqt-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Installed-Size: 402 kB
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.2.0), libqt5network5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.6.0~beta), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6
Breaks: lxqt-common (<< 0.12.0)
Replaces: lxqt-common (<< 0.12.0)
Homepage: https://github.com/pvanek/qlipper
Tag: uitoolkit::qt
Download-Size: 120 kB
APT-Sources: https://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
Description: Lightweight and cross-platform clipboard history applet
 A Lightweight and cross-platform clipboard history applet. It
 provides the following features:
 .
  - saves clipboard history entries and restores them
  - lightweight
  - systray docking app
  - few requirements
  - can be used in GNOME and Windows (and more)

$ 

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#38 2020-12-25 15:08:26

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Qlipper looks interesting, but it is qt yes? No dark background?

Anyhow, we are not really losing anything as Diodon is a direct replacement from my understanding.

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#39 2020-12-25 22:50:24

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

sleekmason wrote:

Diodon is a direct replacement from my understanding.

I'm not so sure.
I just tried to install it on ArchLinux and caught a few snags:

  • It lives on launchpad and is generally Ubuntu/GNOME-centric. Something about app indicator vs. system tray...?

  • It pulls in a busload of dependencies, amongst which the much hated zeitgeist user activity logger

  • It uses that newfangled meson build system and I quickly gave up on trying to reconfigure it to reduce dependencies. OK, that one is entriely my own fault.

Anyhow, it might look like clipit, but it's certainly more demanding.
FWIW, I now use parcellite. That really seems to be almost 1:1 with clipit.

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#40 2020-12-25 23:06:36

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

ohnonot wrote:
sleekmason wrote:

Diodon is a direct replacement from my understanding.

I'm not so sure.
I just tried to install it on ArchLinux and caught a few snags:

  • It lives on launchpad and is generally Ubuntu/GNOME-centric. Something about app indicator vs. system tray...?

  • It pulls in a busload of dependencies, amongst which the much hated zeitgeist user activity logger

  • It uses that newfangled meson build system and I quickly gave up on trying to reconfigure it to reduce dependencies. OK, that one is entriely my own fault.

Anyhow, it might look like clipit, but it's certainly more demanding.
FWIW, I now use parcellite. That really seems to be almost 1:1 with clipit.

Parcellite I remember using as well in the past on AntiX distro, perhaps if it's still being maintained I can go check that out again.


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#41 2020-12-26 00:16:00

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

ohnonot wrote:
sleekmason wrote:

Diodon is a direct replacement from my understanding.

I'm not so sure.
I just tried to install it on ArchLinux and caught a few snags:

  • It lives on launchpad and is generally Ubuntu/GNOME-centric. Something about app indicator vs. system tray...?

  • It pulls in a busload of dependencies, amongst which the much hated zeitgeist user activity logger

  • It uses that newfangled meson build system and I quickly gave up on trying to reconfigure it to reduce dependencies. OK, that one is entriely my own fault.

Anyhow, it might look like clipit, but it's certainly more demanding.
FWIW, I now use parcellite. That really seems to be almost 1:1 with clipit.

False advertising then:)  Well, hope something turns up.  xsel any use?

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#42 2020-12-26 00:38:56

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Diodon seems to be a direct replacement for the deprecated clipit on buster...

Screenshot-2020-12-25-19-38-09.png

I find the built-in Debian command and copy/paste memory to be quite enough, but I currently would recommend Diodon for a dedicated clipboard manager.

Note that though clipit is marked "deprecated", it is still available in all the Debian repos, so there is no real reason to drop it just yet...

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=clipit

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#43 2020-12-26 02:04:57

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Didn't we swap in clipit for parcellite, which was what #! used, IIRC?


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#44 2020-12-26 03:41:51

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Clipit describes itself as "forked from Parcellite and adds many bugfixes and features" - I forget if the switch was made by BL or Corenominal, though there's no mention of it on these forums, so must have been a long time ago.

Now clipit is marked "deprecated" on Debian and gets replaced by a zenity message. sad
This seems to be a decision by the Debian maintainer who personally uses Diodon (bug report):

I’m afraid just that one patch won’t help and the upstream source
needs to be reverted to what was shipped as 1.4.2-1.2. I gave up on
making this code work, and I don’t understand why it doesn’t properly
(on my machine, for example, it very unreliably captures the clipboard
contents). I have switched to Diodon myself, which also supports
holding images.

Given this, and the fact the upstream has disappeared a year ago, I
hope you understand why I’m not very motivated to do any work to get
this fixed in stable.

This was posted in April 2020, but subsequently there has been more activity upstream, and the developer writes:

ClipIt available in Debian and Ubuntu repositories (1.4.4) is broken. Use latest package from this repo.

There is now a clipit 1.4.5 but I wonder what the chances are of it arriving on Debian?

Meanwhile, while parcellite is still in the Debian repos it's tagged as " Marked for autoremoval on 06 January: #956778".

While either of those apps might still be quite reasonable choices for an individual user, I don't think they're appropriate for the default shipped by a distrolette like BL.

Now, Diodon is Gnome-oriented, admitted by the developer, and zeitgeist is not going away.

IMO that leaves xfce4-clipman (was there a problem with that?) and vasa1's recent suggestion of qlipper. I've been using xfce4-clipman personally for some time now with no outstanding issues, and am just now switching to qlipper for a while to see how it goes...


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#45 2020-12-26 04:02:13

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Perhaps go with xfce4-clipman considering BL has a good number of XFCE components as part of base install? Qlipper is qt-based and that tends to be hard to get themed properly.


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#46 2020-12-26 10:20:22

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

@johnraff: thanks for this long and comprehensive post. I can see now how parcellite could be seen as a step backwards from clipit, however its github repo has seen fairly recent activity, just like clipit's.
Parcellite has been working well for me. I stopped using clipit for some weird behavior that popped up fairly recently.

However, xfce4-clipman is a workable alternative:
Firstly, it works without xfce4-panel!
It does not have its own global hotkey, but the history can be popped up with a separate command 'xfce4-clipman-history' which can be bound to a hotkey in rc.xml. Dandy.
It does not advertise to be handling the primary selection at all, but it does! This is 50% of the reason I use a clipboard manager.
Its list of dependencies is slightly longer than that for clipit but actually shorter than that for parcellite, and most of it is probably already present on BL because of xfce4-power-manager.

I'll be testing clipit 1.4.5 (*), parcellite 1.2.1 and xfce4-clipman-plugin 1.6.1 some more.

Oh and one more time in case it was overread by some: Diodon is GNOME-centric. It pulls in a crapload of stuff that I do not have or want or need on my system, even though I already run some GNOME-centric applications.
It would be interesting if someone could report back about what it pulls in when installed on BL. And how much MEM/CPU it uses. And do you have a zeitgeist daemon running afterwards?

(*) OK, I can see it still does that same crap that was the reason I uninstalled it.

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#47 2020-12-26 13:42:39

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

johnraff wrote:

and zeitgeist is not going away.

Sometimes it takes time before all information pieces is laid out correct...

Package diodon, provides " a zeitgeist integration for an infinite clipboard history."

Before I upgraded 2 PC's to bullsey. PC's that had midori installed and the zeitgeist service disabled.

When installed on an pc without zeitgeist installed, it will only install package zeitgeist-core. It will not install the full zeitgeist service!, only core libs.

Xfce4-clipman, has the advantage of beeing able to convert clipped text to QR-codes. Diodon, has the advantage to be able to include images.

I can live with either.

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#48 2020-12-26 23:28:10

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

rbh wrote:
johnraff wrote:

and zeitgeist is not going away.

Sometimes it takes time before all information pieces is laid out correct...

Package diodon, provides " a zeitgeist integration for an infinite clipboard history."

Before I upgraded 2 PC's to bullsey. PC's that had midori installed and the zeitgeist service disabled.

When installed on an pc without zeitgeist installed, it will only install package zeitgeist-core. It will not install the full zeitgeist service!, only core libs.

Xfce4-clipman, has the advantage of beeing able to convert clipped text to QR-codes. Diodon, has the advantage to be able to include images.

I can live with either.

Okay thanks for the clarification about only the zeitgeist core library package being installed and not the full zeitgeist package.  Maybe as part of bl-welcome you can select what clipboard manager you want to use?


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#49 2020-12-31 07:50:21

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Here's a post about a "script that effectively turns xclip into a clipboard manager":
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=262202


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#50 2020-12-31 11:09:23

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Re: Diodon or Clipit?

Seems promising, but: "I don't care about history".

I sometimes need paste someting older than present present content of the clipboard. If the above means that is impossible, it seriously hampers the usefullness.

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