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#26 2021-04-16 16:40:34

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

FWIW... in case folks are interested. Bullseye release dates proposed.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-release … 00187.html


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#27 2021-04-16 17:04:44

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

I updated this morning. I have updated based on the tips here, now just.
Everything is fine here.   big_smile

:~$ sudo apt update
[sudo] Passwort für unklar: 
OK:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease
Holen:2 http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian bullseye InRelease [146 kB]
OK:3 https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian beryllium InRelease
Es wurden 146 kB in 1 s geholt (177 kB/s).
Paketlisten werden gelesen… Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut… Fertig
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen… Fertig
Alle Pakete sind aktuell.
unklar@francescoPC:~$ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
           2: deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
           3: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           4: deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list 
           1: deb https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian beryllium main

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#28 2021-04-16 17:40:12

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

I still get error against keliano.


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#29 2021-04-16 17:48:59

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

rbh wrote:

...
There is nothing you can do for the server. No package is updated after 2021-02-17. If you have upgraded after that date, there is nothing new to fetch...

Do I understand you correctly: since I tried to install today and since

sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends bunsen-meta-all

does not work due to server failure, I have next to nothing, just a rudimentary Debian Bullyeye/Sid text installation waiting to get to life as BunsenLabs' Beryllium someday in the future?

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#30 2021-04-16 19:51:54

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Sort of frustrated I converted my rudimental installation to a full-fledged Debian Bullseye/sid Xfce, to have something to play with until Beryllium will be ready.
Thanks and bye for now,
bunsencub

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#31 2021-04-16 20:03:43

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bunsencub wrote:
rbh wrote:

...
There is nothing you can do for the server. No package is updated after 2021-02-17. If you have upgraded after that date, there is nothing new to fetch...

Do I understand you correctly: since I tried to install today and since

sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends bunsen-meta-all

does not work due to server failure, I have next to nothing, just a rudimentary Debian Bullyeye/Sid text installation waiting to get to life as BunsenLabs' Beryllium someday in the future?

No, I wrote also:

rbh wrote:

If you are on a new installation, you can live with not updating until server is fixed. Or, you can download the packages manually and install with "dpkg -i *.deb"
You forst need to doenload and open file https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraf … 4/Packages (or the one for i386), så you know what packages to download.

Create a skript with the following content

#!/bin/sh
# skript to download base beryllium packages
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-common/bunsen-common_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-configs/bunsen-configs_11.1-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-conky/bunsen-conky_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-docs/bunsen-docs_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-exit/bunsen-exit_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-faenza-icon-theme/bunsen-faenza-icon-theme_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-fortune/bunsen-fortune_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-images/bunsen-images_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-images-extra/bunsen-images-archives_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-keyring/bunsen-keyring_2020.10.10+bl11-1~dev1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-paper-icon-theme/bunsen-paper-icon-theme_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-papirus-icon-theme/bunsen-papirus-icon-theme_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-pipemenus/bunsen-pipemenus_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-themes/bunsen-themes_11.0-1_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-thunar/bunsen-thunar_11.0-2_all.deb
wget https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-utilities/bunsen-utilities_11.0-2_all.deb

* boot the BL  Live session.
* mount an apropriate partition on the pc and create directory bl-debs
* download the beryllium packages to the direcory:


You can not install bunsen-meta-all and bl-wellcome first, as it will try to install from the server.
You can add some of the other metapackages to the skript:

https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-bluetooth_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-java_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-lamp_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-libreoffice_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-packaging_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-printer-support_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-ssh_11.0.1-1_all.deb
https://kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian/pool/main/b/bunsen-welcome/bunsen-meta-vcs_11.0.1-1_all.deb

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#32 2021-04-17 06:22:37

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bunsencub wrote:

$ inxi -r

           1: deb https:/kelaino.bunsenlabs.org/~johnraff/debian beryllium main

Asch!!! How blind. Works ok when changing above to https://kelaino... There was one "/" missing!

Last edited by rbh (2021-04-17 14:11:58)


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#33 2021-04-17 08:54:26

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

rbh wrote:

...Create a skript with the following content...

Thank you very much for your efforts smile I did use your script to download the DEBs, worked fine, I am on multiboot so not much worries. It was a good learning experience.

Before installing the DEBs I did the kelaino thing again... and all worked well! Full success! Sorry for having omitted one "/" before.

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#34 2021-04-17 13:35:27

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

johnraff wrote:

BL Lithium packages have been migrated to Beryllium for Debian Bullseye, and are available for testing purposes here...

Everything went fine with your instructions here, thank you very much (with a "little" help from rbh). Just one thing that probably goes without saying with you experts here, but if some Linux dummy like me has the same problem, here it is and the solution:

johnraff wrote:

...
Login to the new command-line system, and (just to make sure everything's up to date):

sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade

Did I get no internet connection? You bet! It took me a lot of trouble and web surfing to find out how to get one. This worked:
Section "Using ifupdown" in https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse.
If this is so selfevident to everbody here, I apologize.

Otherwise, I already like Beryllium and I am looking forward to the completion of it. Will I end up with a fully fledged Beryllium just by continously updating this present installation?

Thanks, bunsencub

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#35 2021-04-17 17:05:39

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Yes, much hw can nead som tweaking in linux. Often the hardware is not constructed with linux in the thoughts...

Wifi can be tricky. But, if you can get it working, you should not need to resort back to managed net device.

One of my laptops, lost network connection when awakened from hibernate/susprend. Comman nmcli, could get it back. Made a script:

#!/bin/sh
nmcli con up [SSID]
exit

and made an tint2 launcher for the script.

Last edited by rbh (2021-04-17 17:06:09)


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#36 2021-04-18 15:02:29

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Geany in this experimental BL Beryllium system not yet complete?
The present Geany 1.37.1 compiles this simple python program but does not "make" nor "run" it:

This is the program test.py:

inputString = input('Enter a sentence:')
print('The inputted string is:', inputString)

The essential error line after trying to "make" it is:

/bin/sh: 1: make: not found

and "Execute" does return only an empty terminal.
However, Idle executes test.py without error, and so does Geany in Ubuntu 18.04. Is there still something missing here?

Thanks, bunsencub
EDIT: Command line works, too:

$ python test.py

Last edited by bunsencub (2021-04-18 15:28:08)

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#37 2021-04-18 21:42:43

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Geany, is not Bunsenspecifik program. It is vanilla Debian.
So, the subject is a little appropriate in the bugforum.

Try in support forum, maybe: Help & Support (Other)


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#38 2021-04-19 01:32:14

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bunsencub wrote:

Geany in this experimental BL Beryllium system not yet complete?
The present Geany 1.37.1 compiles this simple python program but does not "make" nor "run" it:

This is the program test.py:

inputString = input('Enter a sentence:')
print('The inputted string is:', inputString)

The essential error line after trying to "make" it is:

/bin/sh: 1: make: not found

and "Execute" does return only an empty terminal.
However, Idle executes test.py without error, and so does Geany in Ubuntu 18.04. Is there still something missing here?

Thanks, bunsencub
EDIT: Command line works, too:

$ python test.py

Sounds like you don't have a development environment installed. If all you need is make, then just install it, but it seems that geany may need something else installed.

Whatever - I don't think it is a bug. Remember that BL is deliberately light, so there will be many things you need to sort out for your own requirements. As @rbh says, ask in a Help forum section.


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#39 2021-04-19 01:41:42

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bunsencub wrote:

Geany in this experimental BL Beryllium system not yet complete?
The present Geany 1.37.1 compiles this simple python program but does not "make" nor "run" it:

This is the program test.py:

inputString = input('Enter a sentence:')
print('The inputted string is:', inputString)

The essential error line after trying to "make" it is:

/bin/sh: 1: make: not found

and "Execute" does return only an empty terminal.
However, Idle executes test.py without error, and so does Geany in Ubuntu 18.04. Is there still something missing here?

Thanks, bunsencub
EDIT: Command line works, too:

$ python test.py

-----
The addidtional program necessary to check Python code in Geany is 'pep8'
The package 'pep8' has been replaced with 'pycodestyle' in Bullseye, and no longer can be added to Geany for Python code checks.

You can apparently add 'pylint' functionality to geany.  https://wiki.geany.org/howtos/check_python_code

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#40 2021-04-19 07:34:29

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Thanks but

damo wrote:

...Remember that BL is deliberately light, so there will be many things you need to sort out...

Why then was Geany chosen as text editor in BL, if Geany is missing its programmig editor functionality in BL? Wouldn't it have been more light to choose something simple like featherpad or so as text editor?

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#41 2021-04-19 07:47:23

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

^Geany is geany. It's not missing anything. There is a wide variety of geany plugins available in the Debian repositories which those who need them can easily install, but even without any plugins Geany is a very useful text editor with far more functions than mousepad etc.

Your issue with 'make: not found' is nothing to do with Geany - you need to install the package providing the missing command 'make', which in this case is the package "make".

The reason BL does not come with make preinstalled is that only a subset of users will need it, and they can very easily install it themselves.


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#42 2021-04-19 08:43:23

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

johnraff wrote:

...you need to install the package providing the missing command 'make', which in this case is the package "make"...

Thank you, of course I had done this already. Did it again, same result, still error, different message:

make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.

So, it is bye-bye to Geany, Idle will have to do sad

Still, sorry for having a chip on my shoulder today, why break a butterfly on the wheel with Geany as text editor? Breaking Geany's "bones" such as "powerful, stable and lightweight programmer's text editor", "built-in support for more than 50 programming languages"?

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#43 2021-04-19 09:46:37

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

SOLUTION: Very simple but beyond my comprehension: open Geany with sudo

$ sudo geany

or

$ sudo bl-text-editor

Then I get the "real" Geany with its own proper menu as it should be. And Geany runs py-programs like a wizard smile

However, I find this root thing a little awkward. How can I run geany as a normal user but with its proper appearance and functions like with root, please?

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#44 2021-04-19 13:50:14

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bunsencub wrote:

...
Then I get the "real" Geany with its own proper menu as it should be...

To clarify this point (sorry for being so obstinate):

* Geany without sudo: only one menu based on top, just text choices, r.g., "Build".

* Geany with sudo: the "real" Geany menu with colored icon buttons below the above text menu. These choices build and execute properly, the text menu "Build" in the top line does not!

If I only knew how to run Geany as normal user and not as root and get the same iconified menu!

EDIT:

johnraff wrote:

The reason BL does not come with make preinstalled is that only a subset of users will need it...

There is no need neither to preinstall nor postinstall it, I remove "make" and it is just not necessary for "root" Geany to handle python scripts.

Last edited by bunsencub (2021-04-19 14:02:59)

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#45 2021-04-20 01:25:35

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Rename ~/.config/geany to ..geany and start geany again. if you don't get yor desired setting, rm the new created ..geany directory and copy roots geny. Make sure to change ownership of the files.


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#46 2021-04-20 05:37:47

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

Thank you very much, rbh, works fine, see https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7543

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#47 2021-04-20 10:03:22

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

bunsencub wrote:

Thank you very much, rbh, works fine, see https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7543

I must comment, I think you were quite rude not to obey polite note to move your help request to proper forum.


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#48 2021-04-21 05:14:40

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

rbh wrote:
bunsencub wrote:

Thank you very much, rbh, works fine, see https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7543

I must comment, I think you were quite rude not to obey polite note to move your help request to proper forum.

@rbh, let's not go there. @bunsencub came around, let's move on.

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#49 2021-04-21 08:12:06

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

rbh wrote:
bunsencub wrote:

Thank you very much, rbh, works fine, see https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7543

I must comment, I think you were quite rude not to obey polite note to move your help request to proper forum.

I thought I was enough a blabbermouth with my geany issue in this thread and didn't want to be too verbose. No rudeness intended, sorry cry
Let the discussion about the experimental BL go on, as hhh rightfully suggests.

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#50 2021-04-23 00:26:59

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Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Beryllium system on Bullseye.

^ Thank you, gentle persons. < Getting all PC there with the gender neutral thing.

Gotta move with the times. Also, arrow pointy keyboard things!

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