system going from Buster to Bullseye

johnraff · 2021-02-01 05:46:59

A place to put general things that come up, rather than specific BL packages.

Yesterday I upgraded (on a VM) a fresh Lithium install to Bullseye, and the good news is that none of the BL packages got removed because of dependency problems. Of course a lot of the dependencies are declared as Recommends: so the package will install without them, even with some functionality broken. That will need to be checked over. Then the metapackages might have some non-existent dependencies. But I think migrating the BL packages to Bullseye ought not to be hard, and I'll start that right away.

Bootup memory use, with 1GB available, was 380M which surprised me till I checked back to a Lithium VM which used a similar 360M. Odd, because I've got a physical Lithium install (also 1GM of RAM) using only ~200M.

The upgraded Bullseye took 4.47GB of disk space, compared with 3.77 for Buster. A clean (not upgraded) Bullseye might use less though.

A small hiccup in the upgrade was got round by removing gcc-8-base (think it's unneeded), and 'autoclean' got rid of a lot of leftovers (eg all the python2 libraries).

I installed dbus-user-session and removed dbus-x11.

That left clipit's replacement by diodon.
I was planning to suggest going with xfce4-clipman, but parcellite has just been patched and continues to be available, so I've installed that to see how it goes.

A remaining irritation: xfce4-power-manager seems to have no proper icon in tint2 - just a generic "not found" sort of thing. This seems true with all icon themes, so it's not coming from our tweaked icons. I hope there's a fix for that.

Anyway, when the BL packages are migrated and the Beryllium repo is online I'll maybe start a thread in the forum for people to post their feedback.

hhh · 2021-02-02 01:12:43

I upgraded my Cinnamon desktop last night and today, it went smoothly. ggc-8-base was the only package held back, I installed it again to correct the apt error...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 35#p110835

It looks like removing it should be fine, dpkg shows gcc-9-base and gcc-10-base as also installed. Looks safe to remove 9-base as well.

I'll upgrade my lithium install when the soft freeze hits in 2 weeks.

Last edited by hhh (2021-02-02 01:17:20)

hhh · 2021-02-02 01:49:52

hhh wrote:

It looks like removing it should be fine, dpkg shows gcc-9-base and gcc-10-base as also installed. Looks safe to remove 9-base as well.

Confirmed, removing the 8 and 9 base packages produced no errors and I rebooted to my Cinnamon desktop with no issues.

Last edited by hhh (2021-02-02 01:50:23)

hhh · 2021-02-02 10:48:10

Autoremove during my upgrade must have removed python, because youtube-dl just complained about it. 'sudo apt install python' and it's working again.

johnraff · 2021-02-02 11:00:51

^That's strange, because there is no package "python" on debian Bullseye.

...nor does youtube-dl depend on it. Are you sure you didn't install python3? Though that should be there already from BL dependencies...

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brontosaurusrex · 2021-02-02 12:44:36

johnraff wrote:

A remaining irritation: xfce4-power-manager seems to have no proper icon in tint2 - just a generic "not found" sort of thing. This seems true with all icon themes, so it's not coming from our tweaked icons. I hope there's a fix for that. .

Note to myself, maybe related to this
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 6#p1651746
( will test ).

@john: Could you post your updated /etc/apt/sources.list ?

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2021-02-02 12:48:58)

hhh · 2021-02-02 14:21:26

johnraff wrote:

^That's strange, because there is no package "python" on debian Bullseye.
...nor does youtube-dl depend on it. Are you sure you didn't install python3? Though that should be there already from BL dependencies...

I'm using stock Debian, not BL, and the git version of youtube-dl.

It looks like 'sudo apt install python' installed python-is-python2, but I can't find the actual dpkg log line.

Debian Wiki wrote:

NOTE: Debian testing (bullseye) has removed the "python" package and the '/usr/bin/python' symlink due to the deprecation of Python 2. No packaged scripts should depend on the existence of '/usr/bin/python': if they do, that is a bug that should be reported to Debian. You can use the 'python-is-python3' or 'python-is-python2' packages to restore an appropriate '/usr/bin/python' symlink for third-party or legacy scripts.

https://wiki.debian.org/Python

hhh · 2021-02-02 14:26:12

General review, bullseye rocks. I like the upgrade for Cinnamon notifications in particular. I'm tempted to do the Lithium upgrade now, but I'll wait till the 12th.

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hhh · 2021-02-02 14:30:38

johnraff wrote:

^That's strange, because there is no package "python" on debian Bullseye.
...nor does youtube-dl depend on it.

ytdl-org wrote:

youtube-dl is a command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com and a few more sites. It requires the Python interpreter, version 2.6, 2.7, or 3.2+, and it is not platform specific.

https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl

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brontosaurusrex · 2021-02-02 16:47:45

xfce4-power-manager continued: No idea what is happening, but with a lot of clicking I got from a to b (including renaming svgs in icon themes, restarting tint2 and xfce4pm, looks like it likes some icon themes more than others...). Also It looks like it only (maybe/sometimes) picks icon theme when restarted (xfce4pm that is).

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brontosaurusrex · 2021-02-02 20:13:57

and part2, trying to force an icon theme to it

XDG_DATA_DIRS=/home/b/.icons/Luv-dark/:$XDG_DATA_DIRS xfce4-power-manager

also returns

(xfce4-power-manager:9026): Gtk-WARNING **: 21:18:43.690: Could not find the icon 'battery-level-100-charged-symbolic-ltr'. The 'hicolor' theme
was not found either, perhaps you need to install it.
You can get a copy from:
	http://icon-theme.freedesktop.org/releases

Best guess so far would be that there is some new secret gtk3 icon scheme and this thing is totally into that...

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2021-02-02 20:15:05)

johnraff · 2021-02-03 04:21:16

hhh wrote:

johnraff wrote:
^That's strange, because there is no package "python" on debian Bullseye.
...nor does youtube-dl depend on it.
ytdl-org wrote:
youtube-dl is a command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com and a few more sites. It requires the Python interpreter, version 2.6, 2.7, or 3.2+, and it is not platform specific.
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl

I was going by the Debian Buster youtube-dl's dependencies, which say python3.
Though of course it's impossible to use after a month or so.

I just checked downloading from git on the Buster VM and yes it was looking for something called "python". Installed python-is-python3 (no extra deps came) because I didn't want to bring back all the python2 libraries, and now it works OK. (It's just a symlink.)

johnraff · 2021-02-03 05:11:05

@bronto this doesn't look like a discussion that's going to end soon. Let's start a dedicated thread on the public forum.

Done: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7327

johnraff · 2021-02-04 04:45:16

libreoffice-gtk2 must be swapped for libreoffice-gtk3

Libreoffice-gtk2 is not available in Bullseye atm. I don't know if it will come back, but installing libreoffice-gtk3 resulted in a nice-looking libreoffice window with the BL-Lithium theme. I guess it's getting to the time when we have to embrace GTK3...

johnraff · 2021-02-04 07:42:13

bunsen-configs-pulse no longer needed.
Flat-volumes are disabled by default now. https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/ … _changelog

johnraff · 2021-02-04 11:06:18

Had to take bunsen-exit-python out. It uses python2 and an obsolete GTK2 module.
Maybe migrate it, or maybe we can just forget it?

johnraff · 2021-02-08 08:18:51

exo-utils no longer ships exo-preferred-applications - gone to xfce4-settings:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=262285
(The package page lies.)

That means (for some reason) our "terminal-here" right-click in a directory no longer works. xfce4-settings is much too domineering to add, so we'll have to substitute a bit of bash for that context menu item.

The now-diminished exo-utils is still a dependency of Thunar so we'll have it anyway, but I don't think we use it much in BL.

johnraff · 2021-02-11 08:35:22

Provisional changes to package lists in bunsen-meta-all:

dbus-x11 > dbus-user-session
clipit > xfce4-clipman
libreoffice-gtk2 > libreoffice-gtk3
python > python3
python-xdg > python3-xdg

libexo-1-0 out (used by the exo-launch command which no longer works for us)
python-keybinder out (can't figure out how it got there originally)
python-notify out (was used in the CrunchBang fortunes!)
bunsen-configs-pulse out

bunsen-os-release out temporarily

No doubt more will come in due course...

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johnraff · 2021-02-11 09:15:24

paper-icon-theme is in Bullseye, so we can stop providing it.

(papirus has been available for some time of course)

johnraff · 2021-02-15 09:34:32

Have to make these changes to bunsen-meta-all's package lists:
enchant > enchant-2
fuse > fuse3
ntp out (clashes with the systemd time daemon)
vdpau-va-driver out (obsolete)

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