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#1 2021-01-29 15:08:01

joakes
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Hi Def for Lithium

1st time poster, been using BL since Hydrogen & love it. But, very disappointed that there is no Hi Def available for Lithium. I'd hate to have to go back to the bloated Elementary - the only other distro the has such an elegant DE/WM. I'd stay with Hydro, but many things are no longer playing nice with it (read, chrome & MS Office) & Helium has always had trouble with (actually the other way around) Thunar.

Any plans on eventually getting to the Hi Def desktop?

Thanks.

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#2 2021-01-29 18:34:05

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

Can you explain what do you mean by hi-def desktop?


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#3 2021-01-29 20:30:13

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

linux_user wrote:

Can you explain what do you mean by hi-def desktop?

Think he means getting BL to work with a Hi-DPI display.


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#4 2021-01-29 20:40:26

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

I see... I wonder why would Lithium not work well with high dpi displays?

@joakes, What is the DPI of your display and what difference do you perceive with Lithium in it?

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#5 2021-01-29 23:23:20

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

There is a Beam-HiDPI theme available - it was contributed by a forum member - but we never made a Lithium version. Maybe you could look at the differences between Beam-HiDPI and Beam and see what hacks would need to be done on the regular BL-Lithium theme?

Anyway with high-dpi displays increasing it's probably something we should think about for Beryllium.


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#6 2021-01-29 23:31:15

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

In Windows, I had noticed that there is a thing called scale. The default value is 1 and increasing the value increases the size of the text, icons and spaces in order to make things appear a little larger in HiDPI screens. The downside of scale is that it impacts the screen resolution too: if you were to check the screen resolution using some website, it would should an adjusted value.

Is there any such trick available in Linux so that increasing the texts, spacing and icons can apply universally to all windows, and perhaps not technically changing the resolution?


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#7 2021-01-30 00:12:20

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

johnraff wrote:

There is a Beam-HiDPI theme available - it was contributed by a forum member - but we never made a Lithium version. Maybe you could look at the differences between Beam-HiDPI and Beam and see what hacks would need to be done on the regular BL-Lithium theme?

Anyway with high-dpi displays increasing it's probably something we should think about for Beryllium.

A very good idea as a High DPI display is in my future too. If any members have one they can take a look at the theme to see what changes needed to be made to the Lithium theme to support Hi-DPI.


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#8 2021-01-30 14:43:20

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

johnraff wrote:

There is a Beam-HiDPI theme available - it was contributed by a forum member - but we never made a Lithium version. Maybe you could look at the differences between Beam-HiDPI and Beam and see what hacks would need to be done on the regular BL-Lithium theme?

AFAIR, all it had was larger icons, but even that shouldn't be necessary if you use the built-in default, I think.
Possibly doubled border widths, but that's about all.

All the rest should automatically adjust through DPI and font settings.

Except tint2. That's a bigger challenge, because it's measuring just about everything in pixels.


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#9 2021-01-31 02:21:45

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

^There was more to it than just resized icons, as you can see by running something like meld on the two directories. (Of course diff will do recursive directory comparisons too, but in cases like this meld is very quick and easy.)

User @vinzv saw a need 3 years ago, so I'm not so sure that everything will "automatically adjust".

But graphics is out of my zone, so I won't comment further.


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#10 2021-02-01 06:39:52

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

johnraff wrote:

There was more to it than just resized icons, as you can see by running something like meld on the two directories.

I just did a manual comparison of the two themerc's - there's no relevant differences at all.
The HiDPI theme just seems to be based on an older version of Beam.

So it's really just the icons.

But most Openbox elements resize themselves according to font size, so if the font sizes are right (DPI!) the theme should adapt.

Anyhow, tint2 poses a bigger problem here.


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#11 2021-02-01 07:34:12

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

^It's not just an openbox theme - there are some significant differences in the GTK files too.

But I didn't know OB would adjust pixel dimensions according to dpi.

Anyway, I'm not planning to dive into this - we have other people much more knowlegable on graphics stuff around here.


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#12 2021-02-01 08:54:11

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Re: Hi Def for Lithium

tint2 seems to be fixed by using 'scale_relative_to_dpi'
https://github.com/o9000/tint2/search?q … ive_to_dpi
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=3989

Is that not working as expected?

I don't have hidpi monitor, so can't really test stuff, but I imagine (since there is good chance icons are svg and fonts are vectorial in nature anyhow) the 'problems' could be clearly presented by someone with such monitor and some openbox experience with a few screenshots.

So a little doc with the title 'What we have that looks wrong on hidpi stuff' would be a magic start.

edit: Quick tint2 scrot
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