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This thread » Browsers doing their own thing regardless of window manager rules. got me testing and finally I know one application where this weird action happens: Evince
But I created this thread because it is not about "Web browsers" - may or may not be about LD_PRELOAD (that I have no idea how to use) ... but here's my problem, that is the reason for the thread.
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I use to like "Evince" not so much today see no menubar:
OK the menu bar changes when something is open BUT ....
with Evince the link for "Help" does ZIP - ZERO - NADA!
and when I click on "About" I see:
And clicking on "Website" -->> Opens Thunderbird!
It seems like I have noticed this with a few programs, but cannot pinpoint which.
QUESTION: Anyone have any idea why Thunderbird is opening vs FireFox?
Evince = 5 years old
Atril = 3 years old (MATE developers)
Last edited by Sector11 (2020-02-07 14:34:46)
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QUESTION: Anyone have any idea why Thunderbird is opening vs FireFox?
With me the web page is opened with the respective browser (FF or PaleMoon) in the distribution.
I have never worked with Thunderbird before. But I can imagine that you can change the behaviour in the "Settings"
...from Thunderbird...
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Actually I have to find out why "Evince" is opening Thunderbird.
It's not Thunderbird itself I would think.
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When I copy the link address: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evince
And https is opened with my browser.
Then you have to find the configuration file of Evince. It should contain the error that it opens web links with Thunderbird instead of FF.
Edit: And, don't get mad, my picture of Evince is from siduction
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Output of
gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
#sensible-browser %s
gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command
#sensible-browser %s
?
Perhaps worth reading
https://superuser.com/questions/152202/ … e-on-linux
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@ unklar - would never get mad at you got trying to help - never!
28 Jan 20 @ 18:27:09 ~
$ gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
/usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon %s
28 Jan 20 @ 18:27:15 ~
$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[sudo] password for sector11:
There are 3 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser).
Selection Path Priority Status
------------------------------------------------------------
* 0 /usr/bin/firefox-esr 70 auto mode
1 /usr/bin/dillo 50 manual mode
2 /usr/bin/firefox-esr 70 manual mode
3 /usr/bin/palemoon 40 manual mode
Press <enter> to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number: 0
28 Jan 20 @ 18:27:40 ~
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I do not see "Thunderbird" in there at all.
AND justy so you know:
/usr/bin/dillo <------ exists copy and pasted from Thunar.
/usr/bin/palemoon <------ exists copy and pasted from Thunar.
Evince -
if I click on "Website" - it opens "Thunderbird"
If I right click and "Open Link" it opens "Thunderbird"
If I right click and "Copy Link Address"
I can past it here:
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evince
or in a browser.
SO: something is not working right.
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Others with similar problems, and different solutions, with Evince:
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@ unklar - would never get mad at you got trying to help - never!
oops, it should say "crazy."
check then link from bronto and damo
~/.config/mimeapps.list
I have four BL installations here. All start the browser correctly from the Evince link.
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what is the output of
xdg-mime query default application/pdf
maybe these too..
xdg-mime query default application/x-extension-htm
xdg-mime query default application/x-extension-html
?
My mimeapps.list looks like below on voidlinux, im using basilisk web browser atm.
[Default Applications]
image/png=sxiv.desktop
text/x-shellscript=leafpad.desktop
x-scheme-handler/http=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
x-scheme-handler/https=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
x-scheme-handler/ftp=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
x-scheme-handler/chrome=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
text/html=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
application/x-extension-htm=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
application/x-extension-html=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
application/x-extension-shtml=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
application/xhtml+xml=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
application/x-extension-xhtml=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
application/x-extension-xht=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop
[Added Associations]
x-scheme-handler/http=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/https=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/ftp=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/chrome=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
text/html=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
application/x-extension-htm=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
application/x-extension-html=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
application/x-extension-shtml=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
application/xhtml+xml=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
application/x-extension-xhtml=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
application/x-extension-xht=userapp-Basilisk-63A2E0.desktop;
Last edited by clusterF (2020-01-29 14:01:30)
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Output of
gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command #sensible-browser %s gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command #sensible-browser %s
?
Well, this is an eyeopener:
07 Feb 20 @ 10:58:45 ~
$ gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
/usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon %s
07 Feb 20 @ 10:58:58 ~
$ gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command
/usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon %s
07 Feb 20 @ 10:59:30 ~
$
@ damo and unklar - My OPPS! It is not about evance or atril that was just where I first noticed it:
Help links from these programs open: thunderbird
- medit, pluma, atril, thunar,
These open FireFox:
- geany, clawsmail, kate - opens firefix
Palemoon and firefox open links correctly
what is the output of
xdg-mime query default application/pdf
EDIT: Missed this one:
07 Feb 20 @ 11:25:46 ~
$ xdg-mime query default application/pdf
atril.desktop
07 Feb 20 @ 11:25:49 ~
$
maybe these too..
xdg-mime query default application/x-extension-htm
xdg-mime query default application/x-extension-html
07 Feb 20 @ 11:13:14 ~
$ xdg-mime query default application/x-extension-htm
thunderbird.desktop
07 Feb 20 @ 11:13:17 ~
$ xdg-mime query default application/x-extension-html
thunderbird.desktop
07 Feb 20 @ 11:13:18 ~
$
My mimeapps.list looks like below on voidlinux, im using basilisk web browser atm.
/home/sector11/.config/mimeapps.list
[Default Applications]
image/gif=bl-image-viewer.desktop
image/jpeg=mirage.desktop
image/png=mirage.desktop
image/svg+xml=bl-image-viewer.desktop
text/plain=medit.desktop
text/html=firefox-esr.desktop
application/xml=uzbl.desktop
application/javascript=bl-text-editor.desktop
x-directory/normal=bl-file-manager.desktop
x-directory/gnome-default-handler=bl-file-manager.desktop
inode/directory=bl-file-manager.desktop
audio/mpeg=bl-media-player.desktop
audio/mp4=bl-media-player.desktop
audio/x-wav=bl-media-player.desktop
audio/aac=bl-media-player.desktop
video/webm=bl-media-player.desktop
video/x-ms-asf=bl-media-player.desktop
video/x-theora+ogg=bl-media-player.desktop
application/x-deb=gdebi.desktop
x-scheme-handler/http=thunderbird.desktop
x-scheme-handler/https=thunderbird.desktop
x-scheme-handler/ftp=thunderbird.desktop
x-scheme-handler/chrome=thunderbird.desktop
application/x-extension-htm=thunderbird.desktop
application/x-extension-html=thunderbird.desktop
application/x-extension-shtml=thunderbird.desktop
application/xhtml+xml=thunderbird.desktop
application/x-extension-xhtml=thunderbird.desktop
application/x-extension-xht=thunderbird.desktop
text/x-python=medit.desktop
application/x-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop
application/x-tar=xarchiver.desktop
application/zip=xarchiver.desktop
[Added Associations]
application/vnd.debian.binary-package=gdebi.desktop;org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop;
application/x-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop;
text/x-python=medit.desktop;geany.desktop;
application/x-shellscript=medit.desktop;geany.desktop;
text/plain=medit.desktop;pluma.desktop;org.kde.kate.desktop;xfw.desktop;bl-cli-editor.desktop;bl-text-editor.desktop;geany.desktop;mirage.desktop;libreoffice-writer.desktop;
video/mp4=mpv.desktop;vlc.desktop;
application/xml=medit.desktop;bl-text-editor.desktop;geany.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;org.kde.kate.desktop;uzbl.desktop;libreoffice-writer.desktop;iceweasel.desktop;
application/pdf=atril.desktop;evince.desktop;masterpdfeditor5.desktop;libreoffice-draw.desktop;gimp.desktop;
image/jpeg=mirage.desktop;gimp.desktop;shutter.desktop;feh.desktop;xfi.desktop;bl-image-viewer.desktop;
image/png=mirage.desktop;gimp.desktop;shutter.desktop;bl-image-viewer.desktop;xfi.desktop;
text/x-matlab=medit.desktop;
text/csv=medit.desktop;gnumeric.desktop;
application/x-extension-html=medit.desktop;netsurf-gtk.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
application/x-perl=medit.desktop;
text/x-changelog=medit.desktop;
image/x-tga=mirage.desktop;
image/x-win-bitmap=atril.desktop;
image/svg+xml=gimp.desktop;
text/x-csrc=medit.desktop;geany.desktop;
text/x-chdr=medit.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/http=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/https=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/ftp=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/chrome=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
text/html=firefox-esr.desktop;netsurf-gtk.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;
application/x-extension-htm=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
application/x-extension-shtml=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
application/xhtml+xml=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
application/x-extension-xhtml=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
application/x-extension-xht=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;
application/x-trash=medit.desktop;
application/x-font-ttf=org.gnome.font-viewer.desktop;
video/x-flv=mpv.desktop;bl-media-player.desktop;vlc.desktop;
application/x-docbook+xml=bl-text-editor.desktop;
application/x-bzip=xarchiver.desktop;
application/octet-stream=xfw.desktop;
text/x-lua=medit.desktop;
application/x-bzip-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop;
image/gif=bl-image-viewer.desktop;netsurf-gtk.desktop;
message/rfc822=thunderbird.desktop;
inode/symlink=org.kde.kate.desktop;
text/x-log=medit.desktop;
application/vnd.rar=xarchiver.desktop;org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop;
application/json=medit.desktop;
application/gzip=xarchiver.desktop;org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop;
application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document=libreoffice-writer.desktop;
audio/x-wav=mpv.desktop;
application/x-java-archive=org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop;
application/x-sqlite3=sqlitebrowser.desktop;
image/vnd.microsoft.icon=shutter.desktop;
application/mbox=medit.desktop;
application/x-tar=xarchiver.desktop;
application/x-arj=xarchiver.desktop;
application/zip=xarchiver.desktop;
audio/mpeg=mpv.desktop;
text/css=medit.desktop;geany.desktop;
application/x-markaby=medit.desktop;
video/mpeg=mpv.desktop;
application/msword=libreoffice-writer.desktop;
application/javascript=bl-text-editor.desktop;
application/rtf=libreoffice-writer.desktop;
application/x-desktop=medit.desktop;
It would seem that BL overwrote that - the backup:
/home/sector11/.config/mimeapps.list~2019-06-06T19:14:40~
[Default Applications]
image/gif=mirage.desktop
image/jpeg=mirage.desktop
image/png=mirage.desktop
image/svg+xml=bl-image-viewer.desktop
text/plain=medit.desktop
text/html=firefox-esr.desktop
application/xml=bl-text-editor.desktop
application/javascript=bl-text-editor.desktop
x-directory/normal=bl-file-manager.desktop
x-directory/gnome-default-handler=bl-file-manager.desktop
inode/directory=bl-file-manager.desktop
audio/mpeg=bl-media-player.desktop
audio/mp4=bl-media-player.desktop
audio/x-wav=bl-media-player.desktop
audio/aac=bl-media-player.desktop
video/webm=bl-media-player.desktop
video/x-ms-asf=bl-media-player.desktop
video/x-theora+ogg=bl-media-player.desktop
application/x-deb=gdebi.desktop
application/x-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop
application/x-tar=xarchiver.desktop
application/zip=xarchiver.desktop
x-scheme-handler/http=firefox-esr.desktop
x-scheme-handler/https=firefox-esr.desktop
x-scheme-handler/ftp=firefox-esr.desktop
x-scheme-handler/chrome=firefox-esr.desktop
application/x-extension-htm=firefox-esr.desktop
application/x-extension-html=firefox-esr.desktop
application/x-extension-shtml=firefox-esr.desktop
application/xhtml+xml=firefox-esr.desktop
application/x-extension-xhtml=firefox-esr.desktop
application/x-extension-xht=firefox-esr.desktop
application/x-subrip=aegisub.desktop
text/x-ssa=aegisub.desktop
text/x-matlab=medit.desktop
application/x-genesis-rom=medit.desktop
application/octet-stream=libreoffice-writer.desktop
application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text=libreoffice-writer.desktop
application/biosequence.embl=medit.desktop
application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet=libreoffice-calc.desktop
application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet=libreoffice-calc.desktop
[Added Associations]
text/plain=medit.desktop;
image/jpeg=mirage.desktop;
image/png=mirage.desktop;
text/html=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;medit.desktop;
application/pdf=atril.desktop;evince.desktop;
application/x-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop;
application/x-tar=xarchiver.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/http=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/https=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/ftp=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
x-scheme-handler/chrome=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
application/x-extension-htm=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
application/x-extension-html=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
application/x-extension-shtml=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
application/xhtml+xml=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
application/x-extension-xhtml=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
application/x-extension-xht=userapp-Pale Moon-4GNU2Y.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;userapp-Pale Moon-OQIE6Y.desktop;
image/gif=mirage.desktop;
application/x-subrip=ghb.desktop;aegisub.desktop;
text/x-ssa=ghb.desktop;aegisub.desktop;
text/x-matlab=pluma.desktop;medit.desktop;
application/x-genesis-rom=medit.desktop;
application/octet-stream=org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop;medit.desktop;libreoffice-calc.desktop;libreoffice-writer.desktop;
application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text=libreoffice-writer.desktop;
application/x-shellscript=medit.desktop;
application/biosequence.embl=medit.desktop;kde4-kate.desktop;geany.desktop;
application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet=libreoffice-calc.desktop;
application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet=libreoffice-calc.desktop;
text/x-debian-source-package=geany.desktop;
Backup copied over the original.
Last edited by Sector11 (2020-02-07 14:28:13)
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All working good now.
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My mimeapps.list looks like below on voidlinux, im using basilisk web browser atm.
/home/sector11/.config/mimeapps.list
[Default Applications] image/gif=bl-image-viewer.desktop image/jpeg=mirage.desktop image/png=mirage.desktop image/svg+xml=bl-image-viewer.desktop text/plain=medit.desktop text/html=firefox-esr.desktop application/xml=uzbl.desktop application/javascript=bl-text-editor.desktop x-directory/normal=bl-file-manager.desktop x-directory/gnome-default-handler=bl-file-manager.desktop inode/directory=bl-file-manager.desktop audio/mpeg=bl-media-player.desktop audio/mp4=bl-media-player.desktop audio/x-wav=bl-media-player.desktop audio/aac=bl-media-player.desktop video/webm=bl-media-player.desktop video/x-ms-asf=bl-media-player.desktop video/x-theora+ogg=bl-media-player.desktop application/x-deb=gdebi.desktop x-scheme-handler/http=thunderbird.desktop x-scheme-handler/https=thunderbird.desktop x-scheme-handler/ftp=thunderbird.desktop x-scheme-handler/chrome=thunderbird.desktop application/x-extension-htm=thunderbird.desktop application/x-extension-html=thunderbird.desktop application/x-extension-shtml=thunderbird.desktop application/xhtml+xml=thunderbird.desktop application/x-extension-xhtml=thunderbird.desktop application/x-extension-xht=thunderbird.desktop text/x-python=medit.desktop application/x-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop application/x-tar=xarchiver.desktop application/zip=xarchiver.desktop [Added Associations] application/vnd.debian.binary-package=gdebi.desktop;org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop; application/x-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop; text/x-python=medit.desktop;geany.desktop; application/x-shellscript=medit.desktop;geany.desktop; text/plain=medit.desktop;pluma.desktop;org.kde.kate.desktop;xfw.desktop;bl-cli-editor.desktop;bl-text-editor.desktop;geany.desktop;mirage.desktop;libreoffice-writer.desktop; video/mp4=mpv.desktop;vlc.desktop; application/xml=medit.desktop;bl-text-editor.desktop;geany.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop;org.kde.kate.desktop;uzbl.desktop;libreoffice-writer.desktop;iceweasel.desktop; application/pdf=atril.desktop;evince.desktop;masterpdfeditor5.desktop;libreoffice-draw.desktop;gimp.desktop; image/jpeg=mirage.desktop;gimp.desktop;shutter.desktop;feh.desktop;xfi.desktop;bl-image-viewer.desktop; image/png=mirage.desktop;gimp.desktop;shutter.desktop;bl-image-viewer.desktop;xfi.desktop; text/x-matlab=medit.desktop; text/csv=medit.desktop;gnumeric.desktop; application/x-extension-html=medit.desktop;netsurf-gtk.desktop;thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; application/x-perl=medit.desktop; text/x-changelog=medit.desktop; image/x-tga=mirage.desktop; image/x-win-bitmap=atril.desktop; image/svg+xml=gimp.desktop; text/x-csrc=medit.desktop;geany.desktop; text/x-chdr=medit.desktop; x-scheme-handler/http=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; x-scheme-handler/https=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; x-scheme-handler/ftp=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; x-scheme-handler/chrome=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; text/html=firefox-esr.desktop;netsurf-gtk.desktop;thunderbird.desktop; application/x-extension-htm=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; application/x-extension-shtml=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; application/xhtml+xml=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; application/x-extension-xhtml=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; application/x-extension-xht=thunderbird.desktop;firefox-esr.desktop; application/x-trash=medit.desktop; application/x-font-ttf=org.gnome.font-viewer.desktop; video/x-flv=mpv.desktop;bl-media-player.desktop;vlc.desktop; application/x-docbook+xml=bl-text-editor.desktop; application/x-bzip=xarchiver.desktop; application/octet-stream=xfw.desktop; text/x-lua=medit.desktop; application/x-bzip-compressed-tar=xarchiver.desktop; image/gif=bl-image-viewer.desktop;netsurf-gtk.desktop; message/rfc822=thunderbird.desktop; inode/symlink=org.kde.kate.desktop; text/x-log=medit.desktop; application/vnd.rar=xarchiver.desktop;org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop; application/json=medit.desktop; application/gzip=xarchiver.desktop;org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop; application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document=libreoffice-writer.desktop; audio/x-wav=mpv.desktop; application/x-java-archive=org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop; application/x-sqlite3=sqlitebrowser.desktop; image/vnd.microsoft.icon=shutter.desktop; application/mbox=medit.desktop; application/x-tar=xarchiver.desktop; application/x-arj=xarchiver.desktop; application/zip=xarchiver.desktop; audio/mpeg=mpv.desktop; text/css=medit.desktop;geany.desktop; application/x-markaby=medit.desktop; video/mpeg=mpv.desktop; application/msword=libreoffice-writer.desktop; application/javascript=bl-text-editor.desktop; application/rtf=libreoffice-writer.desktop; application/x-desktop=medit.desktop;
It would seem that BL overwrote that...
Not Guilty M'Lud.
Here's the default BL mimeapps.list: https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-co … eapps.list
No mention of Thunderbird anywhere there. Maybe Tbird itself overwrote it?
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