The real Veganism thread.

hhh · 2018-10-31 03:41:06

Disclaimer: These links are the result of 2 minutes on Google. I especially like the fourth one.

hhh · 2018-10-31 04:13:07

Dr. Hannibal Lecter: Tell me Clarice, would ever say to me.. stop? If you loved me, you'd stop?

Special Agent Clarice Starling: Not unless you went vegan.

Dr. Lecter, amused: Not unless I went vegan?

pretends that he's going to bite her face off, she flinches but stays strong

That's my girl.

hhh · 2018-10-31 04:26:36

My upcoming thesis in film school argues how Hannibal Lecter is a symbol for corporate meat farming and Clarice Starling is a symbol of protest against the complicity of the world governments to not humanely regulate the protein industry.

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 930#p77930

damo · 2018-10-31 04:46:59

Stanley Miller recollected his lifelong experiments following his original work and stated: "Just turning on the spark in a basic pre-biotic experiment will yield 11 out of 20 amino acids."

Wikipedia

And it is likely that a natural experiment 3-4 billion years ago produced even more amino acids -> DNA ---> endless arguments by combinations of DNA about which combination of DNA should consume another combination of DNA. I blame DNA.

Martin · 2018-10-31 07:17:03

"You may also want to consider supplements like vitamin B12."

Says it all.

/Martin

S7.L · 2018-10-31 13:34:45

^ going devils advocate here but i read one can maintain a healthy b12 level without the need for supplements and remain vegan.Im also getting the vibe in regards to how sanitized (think gmo's etc) our food is and how much money the supplement companies must make for so called "deficiencies" in the diet. But if you do believe the science then you should make sure your b12 levels are ok.

Lots of science out there is dubious, this one probably not. Ive always found the fluoride we all supposedly need in the drinking water to be very dubious.

glittersloth · 2018-10-31 14:03:20

S7.L wrote:

... and how much money the supplement companies must make for so called "deficiencies" in the diet.

The thing I worry about with many of these supplements is whether they contain anything that causes our bodies to become dependent on them. Like what's the probability of your health taking a turn for the worse if you stop using them one day, even if you've started consuming foods containing whatever the pills were supposedly supplementing.

S7.L · 2018-10-31 14:19:31

^ lots of people take weird and wonderful concoctions that would probably only make a placebo effect anyway. Lots of hypochondriacs around who think a pill is the answer to what ails them. It is quite possible but i dont know whether you could become dependant on a multivitamin or something similar, most likely mind over matter.

johnraff · 2018-10-31 14:27:04

Indian vegetarian food is wonderful. I found the food in the South, especially, so delicious that eating almost no meat for 2~3 months was no deprivation at all. But the traditional Indian vegetarian diet includes dairy products, which makes proper nourishment easier. (I remember reading somewhere that if you eat some yoghurt along with lentils then you get all the necessary amino acids.)

S7.L · 2018-10-31 14:39:45

^ and the Indians revere their cows as holy beasts and treat them very well, so milk and yoghurt would be a natural gift maybe?

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Martin · 2018-10-31 22:01:37

Homo sapiens is an omnivore.
Eat a little of everything and nothing in excess and you will be fine.
Stray from this -- for whatever reason -- and you have to spend much more time/effort on making sure you stay healthy.

/Martin (have seen Indian cheese marketed as vegetarian despite being milk based, but then christians once decided fish is not meat...)

johnraff · 2018-11-01 04:47:19

@Martin I think vegan and vegetarian are different. Many people describing themselves as "vegetarians" eat eggs and/or dairy products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism
Vegans are strictly no animal products at all.

In India the traditional meatless diet is described as "vegetarian" and I remember railway stations usually had "vegetarian" and "non vegetarian" restaurants. (The food was usually better at the vegetarian places.)

johnraff · 2018-11-02 14:11:02

^Agreed about all these various diets that appear from time to time. But vegetarianism per se has a long tradition in some countries, eg India I mentioned, where it's the diet of (I think) the majority of people, and certainly a large group. They aren't following a dogma, they're just eating how they've always eaten.

I believe there is a group of people in northern Finland whose diet is almost exclusively meat. They manage to survive too.

hhh · 2018-11-02 14:28:56

johnraff wrote:

^Agreed about all these various diets that appear from time to time. But vegetarianism per se has a long tradition in some countries, eg India I mentioned, where it's the diet of (I think) the majority of people, and certainly a large group. They aren't following a dogma, they're just eating how they've always eaten.
I believe there is a group of people in northern Finland whose diet is almost exclusively meat. They manage to survive too.

Meat in a vegan thread, I like it.

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/finla … o-finland/

My objection is only about the evangelism. Ethical diet? Sure, that will save the world.

damo · 2018-11-02 15:20:09

The northern Inuit traditionally had a largely carnivorous diet, with much carbohydrate being supplied by glycogen in raw meat and fish, and by fermenting carcasses.

It has been suggested that certain seal species are the only possible single food source that humans could survive on for an extended period, since they provide all the necessary food groups and vitamins. Go easy with the liver though, because you could get vitamin D poisoning

ohnonot · 2018-11-02 21:45:52

just found this on reddit.

some nice comments, too.
(i am not against veganism! some of the comments are pretty offensive, but others are hilarious!)

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damo · 2018-11-02 22:28:47

ohnonot wrote:

just found this on reddit.
some nice comments, too.

Some priceless comments in there! Cruel but fair

johnraff · 2018-11-03 02:58:31

misko_2083 wrote:

Most people in India are not vegeterian. It is a common myth. www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-43581122
In fact they are following a dogma. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_in_Hinduism
It is also a matter of prestige in the upper classes (casts).

Thank you for the BBC link, it was very interesting. My own impression may have been distorted by the fact I was in S India (mostly Tamil Nadu) most of my stay, and just by eating what was readily on offer found myself following a vegetatian diet. I guess restaurants' offerings are shifted by what is considered socially acceptable, so may be different from what people eat at home (although that article made the same point to suggest more meat was eaten in restaurants). It's certainly true that more meat is eaten in the north, and by lower castes. Again, the influence of the Moguls means that "royal" food is meat-based, so there's always a counter-argument.

But I think my basic point that vegetarianism is well-established in India, and has been for a very long time, still stands.

For devout Hindus, or followers of any religion for that matter, everything in life is affected by dogma, not just food.

MALsPa · 2018-11-03 18:05:16

misko_2083 wrote:

I guess the impression about a country you are visiting evolves with time. The longer you stay the more you learn about the habits, traditions, diet of the locals, and myths.

The same sort of thing happens with whatever city you happen to be visiting (or living in).

johnraff · 2018-11-04 03:06:15

misko_2083 wrote:

^even in the small countries there is a variety of different dialects, customs, traditions and food from one region to another. I can't imagine how different are they in such a big country.

Really! Different food, music, languages, even different writing. I suppose Punjab and Kerala must be as different as Sweden and Portugal (for example).

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