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hhh · 2018-10-31 01:25:27

Spam, for the video game enthusiasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnTZKvX5jg

hhh · 2018-10-31 04:54:03

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 928#p77928

It's brilliant!

In Red Dragon, the blind victim is introduced to a tiger and nuzzles it, whereas the killer eats the dragon painting from the library.

In Silence Of The Lambs, Bill's prize possessions are his puppy and his butterflies and moths, and you could strongly argue that partially he kills because his experience in Vietnam created a feeling in him that animal life was more precious than human life, which leads him to his own pathological gender dystopia.

In the same movie, Lecter eats everything to the tune of Bach, the magazine Bon Apetit, the fine drawings, the savage blood, his heart barely elevating according to Dr. Chilton. Clarice never eats anything, ever.

In Hannibal, Lecter saves Clarice from the pigs, and convinces Cornell to dump Virgil into the pigs to be eaten alive. She has wine near the end, he has brains. Human, meat-killing brains. She is pure, vegan or whatever, he is corrupt, carnivore, cannibal in fact, hence "That's my girl." She is the vegan Jing to his carnivorous Jang, so carnivorous that he becomes the ultimate carnivore.

Except for shark, we never see him take on a big predatory shark.

hhh · 2018-10-31 05:49:51

Holy shit, I just remembered...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vDe4jJvC_o

Martin · 2018-10-31 07:13:16

Tesla Model S mid-size? Not where I live. To me it is big, quite heavy despite being built from aluminum and *very* expensive. The sleek design hides the heft.

Nissan Leaf? Yes, I have colleagues owning such cars and a friend add a couple of Nissan Leaf based small vans to her company's fleet of vehicles. I drove one of those this summer for a bit. It is nothing special -- like driving any van with an automatic transmission. The major difference is you keep a keen eye on the battery level all the time.

/Martin

Jimbo_G · 2018-10-31 08:12:22

In the smaller EV category there's also the Renault Zoe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe) which is the biggest selling EV in Europe at the moment and has a range of 400km.

hhh · 2018-11-01 22:55:00

Martin wrote:

Tesla Model S mid-size?

The Wikipedia link I posted lists its class as Full-size / Mid-size luxury / Executive car (E) / Grand tourer (S)

ohnonot · 2018-11-02 06:05:18

thanks for the EV info i asked for.

i was indeed misinformed about tesla, and now start to understand how important it is that "Tesla were designed as EVs from scratch". I hope we will see more of those (designed from scratch) in the future.

However: bigger car requires bigger battery to achieve same mileage as smaller car with smaller battery.
and that is a BIG problem these days: apparently all environmental arguments are out the window when it comes to comparing sizes of dicks cars.
The Porsche comparison is good.
You can substitute practically any non-american model that has been running for long enough.
Honda Civic always comes to mind; aren't they supposed to be "compact" (or whatever euphemsim manufacturers use for "small")? Compare a current Civic to the 80s, it's crazy. Back then, that would've been an executive model.

Martin · 2018-11-02 07:49:23

I have noticed signs of a trend change when it comes to weight lately. At least some car models are lighter in their latest versions than the next to latest.

As for Civic growth: The current Civic hatch-back is almost as big as my 18 year old Accord but it is quit a bit lighter. (This particular Accord model was never sold in the Americas, it is nimbler Euro-Asian version.)

/Martin

hhh · 2018-11-02 11:43:00

I linked the Tesla S as an example, but of course the buzz over the last year has been about the smaller, less expensive Model 3...

https://www.tesla.com/model3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3

glittersloth · 2018-11-02 16:56:38

ohnonot wrote:

Honda Civic always comes to mind; aren't they supposed to be "compact" (or whatever euphemsim manufacturers use for "small")? Compare a current Civic to the 80s, it's crazy. Back then, that would've been an executive model.

Then you'd better hope Honda put these concepts into production;

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ohnonot · 2018-11-02 19:23:35

^ not sure if you're trying to pull my beard, but i love small cars.
whenever i see one of those new fiat 500 i think: well, if i wanted to get a fairly new car for everyday use, that would be it.
i hear that opel adam is just as good, only cheaper.

but of course those are combustion engine cars.
but once again: electric cars only make sense if you have clean electricity.
how energy efficient are they even these days?

glittersloth · 2018-11-03 03:37:33

^ Mate, I used to think anything bigger than a Radical SR3 was bloat. I've softened now, but yeah, anything bigger than the two concepts in the photo would be too big for me. Can't say the same for families though. Rastafarians with 8 kids would obviously need a camper van. If you can justify filling up all that space, I'm fine with it. No room for obnoxious Range Rovers in my world though.

As for efficiency, it's still early days for EVs, so a LOT can be improved in terms of battery type/capacity, range, energy recovery, etc. On the downside, if you're like me and are hoping the move to electric will simplify stuff, it's sadly going the opposite way. They're putting sensors in everything, simply overcomplicating stuff for the sake of it.

Cars - both EV and ICE - have more individual parts than ever before, and it's not like these individual parts are swappable either in case of damage/malfunction. It's all "modules" and shit, like they're creating different departments in their factories for shits and giggles.

Why in tarnation would anyone even need a sixteen-way electronically adjustable seat? Few drivers even want to adopt the proper posture for driving nowadays anyway. Give them a seat with infinite micro-adjustment and they'll simply convert it into a couch, and then complain to the city council because there are too many "blind corners" on public roads. They wouldn't be blind if you'd bothered to sit straight, Mr Dipshit.

Whatever happened to the "build it simple so there's less that can go wrong" approach? Oh, lower margins. My bad. Might as well add a compositor to public roads. Spinning cubes and flames everywhere. Wheeee!!

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ohnonot · 2018-11-03 07:18:00

glittersloth wrote:

Rastafarians with 8 kids would obviously need a camper van. If you can justify filling up all that space, I'm fine with it. No room for obnoxious Range Rovers in my world though.

same here.
how i hate seeing all these SUVs line up in front of school to drop 1 or 2 kids...
when they bought it, somebody probably convinced them that it's both good for your ego and a family car...
these cars definitely do not minimize fuel consumption, take up a LOT of space when driving, and material when built.

As for efficiency, it's still early days for EVs, so a LOT can be improved in terms of battery type/capacity, range, energy recovery, etc.

considering a scenario with "bad" electricity made from mostly coal, i wonder which alternative is actually better for the environment - EV or combustion...
however, ALL norwegians should've switched to EV only ages ago!!!

Cars - both EV and ICE - have more individual parts than ever before, and it's not like these individual parts are swappable either in case of damage/malfunction. It's all "modules" and shit, like they're creating different departments in their factories for shits and giggles.

just another reason to never want to own a car again.
i remember once (early 2000s) damaging a rear blinker on an almost new car.
i thought, easy, i buy a replacement yellow/orange blinker "glass" thingy, take a screwdriver and change it.
nope.
it's integrated into the whole rear light "assembly", you can't buy only the damaged plastic part, and it probably wasn't attached with screws anyhow.
don't remember the details anymore, but in the end i had to change the whole "light module" or whatever it's called. Plastic molding, colored glass, sockets for bulbs & wires, everything.
not only the blinker.
what a way to make money off people.

damo · 2018-11-03 08:07:14

When the Bush administration was trying to open up arctic oilfields, I read that none of the output would be needed if all US vehicles drove with correct tyre pressures! I bet EV's battery life would benefit from attentive owners.

And they should ensure there are no excessive browser tabs open, or unecessary apps running, on their in-vehicle system. And hope that auto-updates have been properly sorted out!

Martin · 2018-11-03 10:28:42

ohnonot wrote:

but once again: electric cars only make sense if you have clean electricity.
how energy efficient are they even these days?

Key observation there. IEEE Spectrum has published 'well-to-wheel' studies of this a number of times over the years. The first time it was triggered by the Californian craze for converting Priuses to plug-in hybrids. They concluded it only made sense if you live where the generation of electricty is carbon free -- in Scandinavia and France. If your electricity comes from fossil fuels you only move the emission from the car to a smoke stack -- from an affluent suburb to some poor neighburhood as someone put it in a later article on EVs.

Shouldn't there be some benefit from the better efficiency of the EV? Well, that is eaten up by the efficiency of the power grid etc -- as shown in a paper from a Stanford student. Hauling petrol from the refinery to the station is much more efficient than distributing electricity. Counter intuitive to an electrical engineer like me but that is actually how the numbers stack up if you look into it.

Note that the impact of manufacturing batteries etc including the use of conflict minerals is not considered above. Note also that IEEE Spectrum is published by the Institute of Ekectrical and Electronics Engineers, not by some petrol head lobby group.

Bottom line: EVs may be politically correct but buying one does not help the planet. Go for a properly sized ICE car next time instead and don't tick all up-grade boxes. A 1300 kg car has consumed less raw materials than a 1700 kg car when built and will consume less fuel. Ticking the all-wheel-drive box will add ~200 kg and some extra fuel consumption. Don't go by car when you might as well walk or bicycle.

/Martin

PS Related trivia: Half of the particles 'emitted' by a modern diesel car come from the brakes.

ohnonot · 2018-11-04 07:50:55

thanks for more info!

Martin wrote:

If your electricity comes from fossil fuels you only move the emission from the car to a smoke stack -- from an affluent suburb to some poor neighburhood as someone put it in a later article on EVs.

this is so true.
so much of it is NOT about saving the planet, but having a cleaner neighbourhood.
wanting a cleaner neighbourhood is a good thing, but not at that cost.

A 1300 kg car has consumed less raw materials than a 1700 kg car when built and will consume less fuel.

wot? everything over a ton is way too heavy.
i'm serious. the aforementioned new fiat 500 has a curb weight of 500kg.

...but, sadly, i just had a quick glance at some other car models and it seems that even so-called compact cars come in well over a ton. the aforementioned Honda Civic, newest generation, is pretty close to your proposed 1300kg.
this is crazy: the third generation from the 80s weighed 800kg.
So that's 500kg more and for what? nothing, really.

Ego boosting will kill our planet, mark my words.

glittersloth · 2018-11-04 08:08:26

ohnonot wrote:

wot? everything over a ton is way too heavy.
i'm serious. the aforementioned new fiat 500 has a curb weight of 500kg.

Are you talking about the original 500 (which was marketed with that weight but actually weighed closer to 600 at the curb) or the modern ones? I'm pretty sure a current Fiat 500 weighs around double that, at the very least. No way you can get any modern road-legal car that light with all the safety and emission regulations these days. Well, you could, but the exotic materials used would probably make it 10x more expensive.

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Martin · 2018-11-04 10:04:11

A modern 500 is more like 800+ kg for the lightest version: http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Fiat/new/500.html

Crash safety and sound deadening -- all of which did not exist when the original 500 was designed...

On a positive note: Modern cars are, despite their obesity, more frugal than old cars and they are much cleaner. The catalytic converter must fire up for this to be true and it takes a few minutes to do so after a cold start which is one reason for avoiding short trips.

A much more severe health issue related to the air we breathe was brought up by WHO earlier this week: About 1 bilion (US bilion) people live in conditions where heating and cooking is done using open fire and there is no chimney to help the smoke out. This is bad for your health to put it mildly. And it is old news. National Geographic wrote about this a few years ago. The article was given the title "When cooking kills". Björn Lomborg (a Danish environmental debater) brought it up years before that pointing out that bringing electricity to those people would be a very good deed even if it meant building more coal fired power plants.

/Martin

ohnonot · 2018-11-04 19:02:07

glittersloth wrote:

Are you talking about the original 500 (which was marketed with that weight but actually weighed closer to 600 at the curb) or the modern ones?

i thought i was looking at the wiki page for the new on, but i just checked, it was the old one.
i stand corrected.

ratcheer · 2018-11-17 14:10:13

I used Telegram for a few months and liked it, too, but for some reason most of my contacts stopped using it. So, I haven't used it for a while.

I used it both on the Linux desktop and iOS.

Tim

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