Pure Debian?

supusr · 2016-04-20 17:15:16

Is bunsenlabs linux pure Debian? What I mean to ask is whether, once installed and updated, the distro is truly a customized installation of Debian or something somehow different. I do not refer to an installation that adds any of the bunsenlabs repositories.

If the answer is yes, it is a customized Debian installation, then couldn one change "stable" to "testing," add the debian dynamic menu application through Synaptic, and then just treat it as a Debian installation from then on to eternity?

damo · 2016-04-20 17:30:51

BunsenLabs uses Debian Stable as a basis, but includes some backported packages. So, yes, it is a customised Debian Stable, and is intended to remain so. However, if there are significant improvements to certain applications we may backport them.

It isn't a "rolling" distro, although there is nothing to stop you setting that up yourself, and dealing with any consequences. "Testing" requires continuous monitoring and intervention to prevent breakage - you need to be very "hands-on" to run it.

supusr · 2016-04-20 17:54:38

OK. I take your point about stable vs. testing, and appreciate your direct answer to my question about the nature of the distribution. On the one unanswered aspect of my post, it I were to add menu from synaptic, wouldn't the openbox menus auto-update when I install or uninstall applications?

Thanks, in advance, for the replies.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-04-20 18:10:35

supusr wrote:

it I were to add menu from synaptic, wouldn't the openbox menus auto-update when I install or uninstall applications?

Just installing the menu package does not change the Openbox menu.

You have to add this line to ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml:

<menu id="/Debian" />

Place the line wherever you want to see the "Debian" sub-menu.

http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Menus#The_Debian_menu

You could also try obmenu-generator but this must be installed from source:
https://github.com/trizen/obmenu-genera … -generator

Fortunately, forum member @seppalta has a quick guide on his most excellent website:
http://lxlinux.com/obmenu-generator.html

supusr · 2016-04-20 18:26:25

OK. Thank-you. I also heard that Sparky also includes a dynamic menu in its minimal version of openbox.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-04-20 18:29:41

supusr wrote:

Sparky

It appears that they use obmenu-generator:
http://sparkylinux.org/openbox-menu-generator/

supusr · 2016-04-20 18:37:40

Well, there you go. Thanks for helping me clear all that up.

AndyMender · 2016-04-20 19:09:25

supusr, you could also try running:

update-menus openbox

This generates a static menu based on your currently installed applications. However, for BunsenLabs any generators will instantly mess up the neatly organized menu.xml config.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-04-20 19:10:26

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

You could also try obmenu-generator but this must be installed from source

Actually, no compiling is required -- just copy the binary to your PATH & configure the program

EDIT: I'm setting up a custom repository for obmenu-generator now for anybody who wants to install it using `apt-get`

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2016-04-20 19:12:21)

pvsage · 2016-04-20 21:26:31

supusr wrote:

Is bunsenlabs linux pure Debian?

No, but I consider this a goal for some future release of BunsenLabs, eventually becoming either a Debian Pure Blend or repackaged as a DE available from the Debian repos.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
I'm setting up a custom repository for obmenu-generator now
Done!
https://software.opensuse.org/download. … -generator

Ergo, no, not pure Debian.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-04-20 21:30:10

pvsage wrote:

Ergo, no, not pure Debian.

The package is a static binary with nothing to be compiled, installing it is no different to installing a theme, icon set or font

My repository is actually for Debian 8 -- the OpenSUSE Build Service used a jessie QEMU instance to create the .debs

Horizon_Brave · 2016-04-20 21:35:36

pvsage wrote:

No, but I consider this a goal for some future release of BunsenLabs, eventually becoming either a Debian Pure Blend or repackaged as a DE available from the Debian repos.
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I don't know pvsage, I don't see the goal of B.L to become a Debian clone. We use a lot of their base, but I think Bunsen definitely has it's own flavor... What would lead you to say that B.L is going to become just a D.E for Debian? I do agree there is a lot of focus on the menu and desktop wallpaper settings in B.L but I hope that Bunsen through contributors, will eventually adopt a few more "none D.E " type updates and packages, to continue with it's distinct flavoring...

pvsage · 2016-04-20 21:45:34

^ As I understand it, what you're discussing is the difference between a Pure Blend (100% Debian compatible but with its own flavoring from an independent repo that exists solely for things like themes, scripts, and pipe menus) and just a separate DE among the many available from Debian. I understand there are many in this community that prefer BL to keep its individual identity, and if that is the will of the community and the developers, I'd back it.

EDIT: I should remind everyone at this point that I'm not actively involved in BL development and anything I post should be considered nothing more than "Word of Dante".

Last edited by pvsage (2016-04-20 21:53:52)

johnraff · 2016-04-21 03:56:57

btw, another alternative for an auto-generating applications menu is obamenu.
Very simple to install and use.

nobody0 · 2016-04-21 05:06:45

johnraff wrote:

btw, another alternative for an auto-generating applications menu is obamenu.
Very simple to install and use.
http://s31.postimg.org/huwoc1jsn/2016_04_21_12_46_53_scrot.jpg

When you install Obamenu, you stop needing the scripts for graphics, network, office etc.

ohnonot · 2016-04-21 05:13:30

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
I'm setting up a custom repository for obmenu-generator now
Done!
https://software.opensuse.org/download. … -generator

great.
i didn't know obmenu-generator wasn't in debian stable's repos.
that guy has been around for a while, also coded the famous gtk-youtube-viewer.
i swear on obmenu-generator.
and to make it clear, once and for all: it's a perl script. no binaries, no compilation.
it might depend on some other perl stuff, here on archlinux it says:

Depends On      : openbox  perl>=5.14.0  perl-data-dump
                  perl-linux-desktopfiles>=0.09

did you take that into account, HoaS?

Horizon_Brave wrote:

I don't know pvsage, I don't see the goal of B.L to become a Debian clone. We use a lot of their base, but I think Bunsen definitely has it's own flavor... What would lead you to say that B.L is going to become just a D.E for Debian? I do agree there is a lot of focus on the menu and desktop wallpaper settings in B.L but I hope that Bunsen through contributors, will eventually adopt a few more "none D.E " type updates and packages, to continue with it's distinct flavoring...

i disagree 100%.
firstly, it has always been BL's goal to be installable as a DE, even on other distros (read the relevant threads here and on #! forums).
secondly, what's the point of creating just another fork? no, the closer it is to pure debian the better, imo. it is pretty close already right now.
does that give you an identity crisis? ]:D

nobody0 · 2016-04-21 05:25:19

Obmenu-Generator
Obamenu and the links below

johnraff · 2016-04-28 00:55:38

This seems to be drifting away from the OP's topic a bit. Maybe split off a new thread on obmenu-generator?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-04-28 06:23:52

johnraff wrote:

This seems to be drifting away from the OP's topic a bit. Maybe split off a new thread on obmenu-generator?

Split:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1791

Sorry OP!

Sector11 · 2016-04-28 15:01:36

pvsage wrote:

supusr wrote:
Is bunsenlabs linux pure Debian?
No, but I consider this a goal for some future release of BunsenLabs, eventually becoming either a Debian Pure Blend or repackaged as a DE available from the Debian repos.

And I'm hoping this doesn't happen. If someone wants 'pure' Debian - install Debian.

I like the non Debian stuff that makes #! #! and BunsenLabs BunsenLabs.

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