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DeepDayze · 2021-06-27 16:43:27

Nili wrote:

@eight.bit.al
Hello again, I finally managed to buy an DELL Optiplex 5080 exactly this one.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51271681792_4258d37900_n.jpg
I started with Fedora, I found appropriate time to test GNOME 40+. So far it seems to me very good and fast, let's say a PC suitable for home uses tasks. The advice went to the right ear that it wasn't necessary to have a dual processor for household items, as i was almost ready to buy HP Z840 without thinking too long.
I think this was the better appropriate choice for me. THANKS!

The 5080 is a nice machine and many of these are also deployed around the hospital I work at. My department also uses one as a little server for our monitoring tools.

How is Wayland working on that new box? This makes me now want to play with Fedora on my big rig

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unklar · 2021-06-27 17:29:15

Nili wrote:

@eight.bit.al
Hello again, I finally managed to buy an DELL Optiplex 5080 exactly this one.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51271681792_4258d37900_n.jpg
I started with Fedora, I found appropriate time to test GNOME 40+. So far it seems to me very good and fast, let's say a PC suitable for home uses tasks. The advice went to the right ear that it wasn't necessary to have a dual processor for household items, as i was almost ready to buy HP Z840 without thinking too long.
I think this was the better appropriate choice for me. THANKS!

@Nili,

from the bottom of my heart, congratulations on your decision and that you feel good about it.

deleted0 · 2021-06-27 20:14:17

Nili wrote:

@eight.bit.al...
I think this was the better appropriate choice for me. THANKS!

You did well, so glad you're happy.

8bit.

Nili · 2021-06-28 13:23:36

DeepDayze wrote:

The 5080 is a nice machine and many of these are also deployed around the hospital I work at. My department also uses one as a little server for our monitoring tools.
How is Wayland working on that new box? This makes me now want to play with Fedora on my big rig

Hi DeepDayze, Indeed this 5080 series i find quiet and fast. In fact this system it is recommended for offices or work of your types profile or suchs. Even where i bought it more or less they said so, but as soon as i told them it will keep Linux inside not for major taks like working or editing multimedia stuff, games, or too many monitors installed, they said it will fit well enough for you. I like the case and the settings seems optimal for me and i didn't hesitate to get it.

Regarding Wayland, i encountered some crash once the gnome-shell loads or if i log-out and log-in again i note a notification that says it did crash please report it. I read through fedora forums and the Internet and there were others who had encountered something like this, I am not very clear if it is a Wayland problem, gnome-shell, or simply because version 40.1 of GNOME does not have much that has come out and may be expected specific issues.

I'm very new to a bloated system I'm a minimalistic user, i better start learning what x and y do firstly.

The crash thanks doesn't lead me on console, that's a good sign, if it crashed the whole Window or applications then it would be a serious matter for me. I got some updates lately, it seems a bit calmer, i'm not seeing the crash message often, i'll see following.

So far, so good with Wayland. Well, give it a try i think. GNOME, RedHat or all peoples behind it have done a colossal job, I often watched videos on Youtube and i do not deny that they envied me. I think everyone should make a visit on GNOME 40+ just to check it at least once.

unklar wrote:

@Nili,
from the bottom of my heart, congratulations on your decision and that you feel good about it.

Thanks so much for your kindly words bro unklar, For the first time in many years i bought a new system that made me feel really comfortable.

eight.bit.al wrote:

You did well, so glad you're happy.
8bit.

Thanks again 8bit.

DeepDayze · 2021-06-28 15:36:29

@Nili, Thanks for sharing your experiences with this new Dell 5080 and with Wayland/Gnome. I am sure Gnome 40 isn't quite ready for prime time yet and so is Wayland which should continue to improve over time. While Wayland won't really replace X for the foreseeable future it should be solid once it's ready.

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Nili · 2021-06-28 22:49:56

Pleasantly, Agree it is still too early to call it stable. Bugs are expected perhaps in plenty, I believe over the time it will improve GNOME a lot. Let see tomorrow what will bring for both Wayland and Gnome 40+.

deleted0 · 2021-06-30 19:13:15

Windows 11

8bit

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DeepDayze · 2021-06-30 21:27:21

Cool scrot...is that using WSL on the Win11 preview?

Colonel Panic · 2021-07-01 21:23:52

I'm testing out Endeavour, a distro which is the successor to Antergos and like that one based on Arch. I've tried it before but was disappointed at the time that it would only support a display resolution of 1024x768; that's not a problem for me at the moment because it's all my current monitor will support.

It's unusual in that it offers the option to install a supported version of bpswm, which I might try later. It doesn't have either LibreOffice or Thunderbird included as standard though, which I found disappointing for a 1.9 GB ISO download.

hhh · 2021-07-02 02:59:12

^ So, what filled up that 1.9G?

Colonel Panic · 2021-07-03 12:09:23

hhh wrote:

^ So, what filled up that 1.9G?

I don't know to be honest. Going by their website, the devs found it a challenge to keep below 2GB;

https://endeavouros.com/latest-release/

It's all academic at the moment anyway as in common with most Arch-based distros it's a trial to get it to boot from Grub and my last attempts to do so failed (so I'm posting this from another distro).

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el_koraco · 2021-07-03 12:30:31

DeepDayze wrote:

@Nili, Thanks for sharing your experiences with this new Dell 5080 and with Wayland/Gnome. I am sure Gnome 40 isn't quite ready for prime time yet and so is Wayland which should continue to improve over time. While Wayland won't really replace X for the foreseeable future it should be solid once it's ready.

It depends on the hardware with Wayland. I have been running a fairly pristine Wayland session for years now with zero issues on Intel chips with integrated graphics. By pristine, I mean hardly any Xwayland, I'm even running Firefox as a Wayland application. The caveat there is that I don't use many applications in general. As far as the design of Gnome 40 is concerned, to each his own, but as for stability and responsiveness, I am finding it superior to the Gnome 3 era.

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Nili · 2021-07-10 20:52:09

el_koraco wrote:

It depends on the hardware with Wayland. I have been running a fairly pristine Wayland session for years now with zero issues on Intel chips with integrated graphics. By pristine, I mean hardly any Xwayland, I'm even running Firefox as a Wayland application. The caveat there is that I don't use many applications in general. As far as the design of Gnome 40 is concerned, to each his own, but as for stability and responsiveness, I am finding it superior to the Gnome 3 era.

So far so good with GNOME 40.2 (Wayland). I haven't used GNOME 3 , infact i haven't used a DE since many years, GNOME 40 on a 2020 system it is behaving extremely well. I too running Mozilla Firefox for Fedora installed as default from Workstation Edition.

I had some sporadic concerns early, i didn't know who caused it, ignored to investigate as it was early for me as a beginner in this system, but with daily updates i see a pretty good performance. This is my first time on Fedora, So far i am very fine with it, i will stay longer than i had planned.

el_koraco · 2021-07-10 23:48:06

Yeah, there were many many dropped frames at the start, but they fixed that fairly early on. I like the desktop metaphor, I actually find it the best one around, but I understand that people may not easily get used to it. If you want to run a Wayland Firefox, you need to add MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to /etc/environment

DeepDayze · 2021-07-11 02:40:19

el_koraco wrote:

Yeah, there were many many dropped frames at the start, but they fixed that fairly early on. I like the desktop metaphor, I actually find it the best one around, but I understand that people may not easily get used to it. If you want to run a Wayland Firefox, you need to add MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to /etc/environment

Perhaps at some point Firefox and hopefully Chromium will run purely on Wayland...and to run it on X set some environment variable.

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el_koraco · 2021-07-11 10:15:01

DeepDayze wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
Yeah, there were many many dropped frames at the start, but they fixed that fairly early on. I like the desktop metaphor, I actually find it the best one around, but I understand that people may not easily get used to it. If you want to run a Wayland Firefox, you need to add MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to /etc/environment
Perhaps at some point Firefox and hopefully Chromium will run purely on Wayland...and to run it on X set some environment variable.

When Nvidia starts supporting Wayland I guess.

hhh · 2021-07-11 11:52:49

el_koraco wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
el_koraco wrote:
Yeah, there were many many dropped frames at the start, but they fixed that fairly early on. I like the desktop metaphor, I actually find it the best one around, but I understand that people may not easily get used to it. If you want to run a Wayland Firefox, you need to add MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to /etc/environment
Perhaps at some point Firefox and hopefully Chromium will run purely on Wayland...and to run it on X set some environment variable.
When Nvidia starts supporting Wayland I guess.

It's definitely coming...

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= … DLSS-Linux

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

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deleted0 · 2021-07-11 12:37:51

DeepDayze wrote:

Cool scrot...is that using WSL on the Win11 preview?

Sorry, I almost missed your question.

In particular, I'm thinking this:

Scoop

A command-line installer for Windows

https://scoop.sh/

WSL was installed when it was W10, it might be using some part of WSL.

Install scoop;

scoop install git
scoop install neofetch

8bit

again, sorry for the late reply.

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Nili · 2021-07-11 13:39:28

el_koraco wrote:

Yeah, there were many many dropped frames at the start, but they fixed that fairly early on. I like the desktop metaphor, I actually find it the best one around, but I understand that people may not easily get used to it. If you want to run a Wayland Firefox, you need to add MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to /etc/environment

On a new hardware it is worth using or at least trying once GNOME 40. Already made many tweaks, but haven't posted a scrot yet. Thanks for the command, I thought i was using Firefox in Wayland mode by default. However, i did not see any info from firefox --version. I'll give it a go to that command to check it.

THANX!

Sector11 · 2021-07-11 16:18:07

I'm hoping there is a way NOT to have to run Wayland.

I left GNOME a long time ago - hated back in 2007 and went to Xfce and then to OpenBox.

I may have to go to KDE.

I will miss OpenBox with no "DE"

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