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#1 2020-01-10 12:37:01

clusterF
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ungoogled phones

Im not very knowledgeable when it comes to smart phones, ive had the same smartphone for about 5 years but its getting slow and the power button is on its way out, battery life is getting shorter and shorter.

I would like to transition to an ungoogled smartphone somehow, is it possible to buy something like a lineage os phone outright these days or do you need to buy the phone and then flash it, i really couldnt be bothered messing around with installing an OS to a phone so just wondering if there is avenues to buying pre installed phones?

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#2 2020-01-10 13:28:21

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Re: ungoogled phones

China phones are largely ungoogled but chinaed instead smile

Here's a list by date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_o … ile_phones. Only the Librem5 and Pinephone (both not Android) seem to be current phone models sold by actual vendors.

No phones with LineageOS preinstalled are available, as far as I know.

The only high-quality, non-Android phone distribution for mobile phones, purchasable by private individuals from an actual vendor is SailfishOS which runs with 0 problems on current Sony phone hardware (because it was designed that way). No out-of-the-box experience being available here either. It has a limited Android runtime so some apps can be used with it.

If you want a secure, non-spyware experience an iphone SE is likely the most reasonable product from a big-name vendor as of know…unless you're not in Europe, it should be very cheap by now.


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#3 2020-01-10 14:05:55

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Re: ungoogled phones

There's also the /e/ foundation. Heard about them some time ago, but have no idea how viable they are or whether they're still even active, for that matter.

I think they sell pre-flashed phones (though only limited to the EU last I checked), and also have a list of compatible devices. Again, I have zero experience with their product. Might be peddling snake oil for all I know. Just throwing their name out so that you can, if interested, do your own research.

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#4 2020-01-10 14:54:24

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Re: ungoogled phones

Don't know if this might help? - Phone Finder


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#5 2020-01-10 18:05:33

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Re: ungoogled phones

My experience might crystalize your ideas about your goals with alternative phone OS.

What I did was I bought used OnePlus One phone with installed older CyanogenMod from a friend and installed then latest CyanogenMod.

Then installed LineageOS when I was conviced everything would be stable enough with all Goog bloat there was.

Then I installed completely de-Googled LineageOS (without Google Play and other BS). New problems occured: I could not trust APK I've downloaded from 3rd party sites enough to even start once my e-banking and some other apps that deal with my real life data. I've also read that some Russian backdoors were being installed in APK files on some alternative sites that serve standalone APK downloads. I have not proven this but it just didn't feel right to continue using phone like a paranoid caveman. I lived like that for 6 months, fearing to start any app except Telegram.

In the end (current installation) I've installed rooted LineageOS 16.0 only with Google Play Store. I'd rather have phone (actually mostly Play Store) talking to Google servers without notifying me than Russians having my data.

What im trying to say is - choose your poison, for there seem to be no healthy mobile OS diet.

Also, here is a nice list of phone models supported by LineageOS.

Good luck with your quest!

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#6 2020-01-10 20:17:00

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Re: ungoogled phones

Sun For Miles wrote:

What im trying to say is - choose your poison, for there seem to be no healthy mobile OS diet.

Life perfect summary wink

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#7 2020-01-10 20:58:09

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Re: ungoogled phones

What about Sony plus Sailfish X?

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#8 2020-01-11 02:12:36

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Re: ungoogled phones

Thanks for the input everyone,good info on this page. I like the sound of those /e/ phones, but only available in europe unfortunately.

Anyhow i managed to pick up a samsung galaxy s5 from a friend and had a go at installing lineage-os, it wasnt as hard as i first thought and now have it installed. Although first attempt in devuan beowulf was no good due to outdated heimdall and i would have had to mess around with udev rules, but in voidlinux everything worked out of the box.

if anyone is interested, following these instructions helped greatly.

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/kltedv/install

my particular phone needed this download

https://download.lineageos.org/kltedv

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#9 2020-01-11 05:55:24

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Re: ungoogled phones

already run into an issue, sms backup and restore keeps crashing. Does anyone know of a manual method to copy over sms, call logs to an android phone?

edit: installed an older working version of sms backup and restore. The question still remains though, it should be possible to do it without an application.

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#10 2020-01-11 14:54:35

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Re: ungoogled phones

^ the intricacies of Android's "security" model... It's not easy to even copy files to/from the device...

Sun For Miles wrote:

What im trying to say is - choose your poison, for there seem to be no healthy mobile OS diet.

Yep.
Also, The term "ungoogled android" is a contradiction in itself - every OS based on AOSP is Google's child.
That includes LineageOS, even "harder" ROMs like GrapheneOS.
Now, trying to complete cut out any communication to google's (or affiliates) servers, that just might be possible...
FWIW, I'm currently running /e/...

Now, if the thread tile was "ungoogled phones" instead:
I'm following the development of Maemo Leste with great interest, also because I own one of the top supported devices big_smile

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#11 2020-01-11 15:30:56

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Re: ungoogled phones

^ good point. Had not thought of that and low and behold when i tried the "web browser app" in lineage OS it looked awfully like a chrome clone, google everything and cannot be uninstalled only stopped. Ive not read the particulars on this, but im betting Los is probably getting some sort of funding from the mighty goog for this addition. Technically the title is sort of correct, ungoogled in the fashion that the Gapps is non present if you wish, atleast i hope so.

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#12 2020-01-12 10:37:10

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Re: ungoogled phones

^ no funding. That's just the stock Android browser. Which is probably OpenSource, hence included.
Also the way Android works, most apps don't connect to the WWW themselves but use OS-provided mechanisms (keyword "Android Webview").
But you can install F-Droid and then install Fennec F-Droid (Firefox).
You can also uninstall or at least disable some cruft present even on LOS.

BTW, a pet peeve of mine: many so-called "alternative" or even "unggogled" ROMs don't even bother to remove AOSP's calls to google servers. :facepalm:

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#13 2020-01-12 13:03:58

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Re: ungoogled phones

^ nice to know.

fdroid is the first thing i installed on the phone as i had been converted to it on my last phone. I have been using gnu icecat for android from fdroid but it says there had been no updates in 10 months whereas fennec which looks to be very similar in build looks to be updated more regularly, although fdroid says it promotes non free addons and the app tracks and reports your activity, what they call anti features.

edit: also changed thread title to "ungoogled phones" as per ohnonots suggestion, makes more sense now i understand it a bit better.

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#14 2020-02-17 19:00:10

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Re: ungoogled phones

land lines.

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#15 2020-02-19 06:16:39

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Re: ungoogled phones


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