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#126 2019-08-08 04:04:16

dhalgren
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

My problem is finding the Beowulf testing iso.
Can someone point me to it?

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#127 2019-08-08 17:27:18

bigbenaugust
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

dhalgren wrote:

My problem is finding the Beowulf testing iso.
Can someone point me to it?

To your point, there is no Beowulf iso. Looks like one has to install Ascii and then do a dist-upgrade to Beowulf.

@johnraff: After fixing the NM issue, the Thinkpad screen brightness controls didn't work, and since it is my primary workstation and this is work time and I didn't really have time to rabbit-hole all the way down (eudev/dbus/X/ACPI/etc.), I re-imaged it again with Buster and am installing Lithium on it right now.  I might re-try the whole thing on my home machine.

But it's very functional with experimental Devuan 3 as a base. I have also done it with MX and AntiX underneath and they work too.


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#128 2019-08-08 23:55:17

dhalgren
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Thank you for that sir. It is no wonder that I could not find any information on devuan site and the forums were not at all clear.

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#129 2019-08-09 02:16:16

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Thanks for the feedback:

bigbenaugust wrote:

@johnraff: After fixing the NM issue, the Thinkpad screen brightness controls didn't work, and since it is my primary workstation and this is work time and I didn't really have time to rabbit-hole all the way down (eudev/dbus/X/ACPI/etc.), I re-imaged it again with Buster and am installing Lithium on it right now.

I've had varying success with hardware keybinds on a Thinkpad - eg on some Debian-based distros the mic mute key works, others not. I'm not sure if there's any guarantee Debian Buster will work any better than Devuan for brightness. Fingers crossed...

When I have time I'll test that Thinkpad with Lithium and see if there are any tweaks we can ship to improve things (if necessary).

But it's very functional with experimental Devuan 3 as a base. I have also done it with MX and AntiX underneath and they work too.

I was a little over-optimistic about BL's lack of systemd: there are some bits here and there that use it - like the "CLI" grub boot option - but the core functions should survive without.


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#130 2019-08-09 14:06:54

clusterF
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

dhalgren wrote:

My problem is finding the Beowulf testing iso.
Can someone point me to it?

Im not aware that there is one, you need to upgrade from stable ascii I believe?

That is how I did it anyhow, this is what the testing sources.list should look like.

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf contrib non-free main   

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-security main non-free contrib 

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-updates main non-free contrib 

edit: there is a mini.iso from searching the devuan forum but needs a rework. Would be a full netboot type image install i would say.

https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dis … t/mini.iso

http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2975

Last edited by clusterF (2019-08-09 14:10:46)


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#131 2019-08-09 14:35:07

bigbenaugust
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

johnraff wrote:

I've had varying success with hardware keybinds on a Thinkpad - eg on some Debian-based distros the mic mute key works, others not. I'm not sure if there's any guarantee Debian Buster will work any better than Devuan for brightness. Fingers crossed...

When I have time I'll test that Thinkpad with Lithium and see if there are any tweaks we can ship to improve things (if necessary).

Yeah, some things work in MX and not AntiX with the same base. If I were to guess, it might be a udev issue with user hardware permissions.

At least on the P50 in my cube, it's 100% with Buster and BL. Brightness, volume, and all. When I get the P50 done, I'll switch back and put Devuan on this W530 for fun. When I get time for fun. wink


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#132 2019-08-09 15:11:43

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

bigbenaugust wrote:

If I were to guess, it might be a udev issue with user hardware permissions.

That'll be a good place to look first. Thanks.


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#133 2019-08-09 23:15:05

dhalgren
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

clusterF wrote:
dhalgren wrote:

My problem is finding the Beowulf testing iso.
Can someone point me to it?

Im not aware that there is one, you need to upgrade from stable ascii I believe?

Thanks, I will go the upgrade route next week, when I get a decent break from uni.

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#134 2019-08-14 14:07:16

randomeur
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

hhh wrote:
johnraff wrote:
ghorvath wrote:

bunsenify the xfce4

There are two things this might mean:

1) Start from a basic BunsenLabs install, change window manager to xfwm4 and add any other xfce apps you think you need.
The changes made in the way a Lithium session starts up were intended to make option 1) easier.

Add a full xfce4 session (not tested by me, but I will. This sounds fun...)

https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xf … led_system

Had already done this on helium with no issues at all. Now the next step is to upgrade the system to lithium. Will do so soon.

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#135 2019-08-18 21:48:11

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

johnraff wrote:

I was a little over-optimistic about BL's lack of systemd: there are some bits here and there that use it - like the "CLI" grub boot option - but the core functions should survive without.

The one thing that supports the usefulness of systemd, is the possibility to restrict an application from using too much RAM or virtual memory. This is crucial when using BunsenLabs cdsized live in a machine with just 1 GB RAM:

$ systemd-run --user -p MemoryHigh=940M x-www-browser

and/or MemoryMax with a slightly higher value for the same. Maybe MemoryHigh=940M (megabytes) is too much for a machine with just one gigabyte, but I don't know of a good method to calculate a reasonably correct parameter value.

I discovered these systemd options the other day when looking at discussions about Linux slowing to a crawl with limited-RAM environments and no swap. The instructions are also at the systemd.resource-control manpage.

I cannot say for certain whether it works as advertised, but I'm thankful that these options exist. At least lately, it's been possible to quit Firefox more easily via OpenBox when the browser starts slowing down and causes the system to heavily spin the optical drive to request something.

I do not know of any other tweaks that would restrict RAM for individual apps.

Removing multi-process support in Firefox, and setting other optimisations to the browser also help.

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#136 2019-08-19 01:48:26

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

^Thanks for those hints. I have an old laptop with 1GB RAM (and some swap space) that I use to test the CD iso, and yes it does sometimes freeze up if I use Firefox too heavily. When I get to testing the Lithium CD build I'll try those options.


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#137 Today 12:47:52

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

I have Lithium on my workstation (Lenovo P50), and X mysteriously quit working after a reboot yesterday. This was showing up in the logs, which was a little confusing:

[1812253.549] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics
[1812253.549] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics
[1812253.549] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics
[1812253.549] (EE) No devices detected.
[1812253.549] (EE) 
Fatal server error:
[1812253.549] (EE) no screens found(EE) 
[1812253.549] (EE) 

I had to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf, which was provided by the bunsen-configs package:

baugust@hatchibombotar:/var/log$ sudo dpkg -S /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[sudo] password for baugust: 
bunsen-configs: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf

Reinstalling the package doesn't put the file back, so I can't retest that.
Might have something to do with my machine using the Nouveau driver, though. smile

System info:

baugust@hatchibombotar:~$ inxi -F
System:    Host: hatchibombotar Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Awesome 4.3 
           Distro: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 10.0 (Lithium) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20EQS07U00 v: ThinkPad P50 serial: <root required> 
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 20EQS07U00 v: SDK0J40709 WIN serial: <root required> UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO 
           v: N1EET57W (1.30 ) date: 08/03/2016 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 84.3 Wh condition: 84.3/90.0 Wh (94%) 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-6820HQ bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 8192 KiB 
           Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/3600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800 
           7: 800 8: 800 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GM107GLM [Quadro M1000M] driver: nouveau v: kernel 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1200~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: NV117 v: 4.3 Mesa 18.3.6 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-H HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Device-2: NVIDIA driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-6-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Ethernet I219-LM driver: e1000e 
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 50:7b:9d:f6:96:b9 
           Device-2: Intel Wireless 8260 driver: iwlwifi 
           IF: wlp4s0 state: up mac: 44:85:00:c0:89:e7 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 78.68 GiB (33.0%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: MZNLN256HCHP-000L7 size: 238.47 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 222.65 GiB used: 78.55 GiB (35.3%) fs: xfs dev: /dev/dm-1 
           ID-2: /boot size: 235.3 MiB used: 134.9 MiB (57.3%) fs: ext2 dev: /dev/sda1 
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 15.46 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 51.5 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 47 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 
Info:      Processes: 216 Uptime: 16m Memory: 15.14 GiB used: 1.75 GiB (11.5%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.36 

I fixed my issue, so no big deal, I'm just leaving this here for science.


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#138 Today 14:12:56

DeepDayze
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

@Bigbenaugust, does your machine have both Intel and nvidia graphics? Try disabling the intel one


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#139 Today 15:21:48

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

lspci -vvv says I only have one VGA Compatible Controller and it is the NVIDIA one:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107GLM [Quadro M1000M] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
        Subsystem: Lenovo GM107GLM [Quadro M1000M]

It has an Intel chipset, that is for sure, but not graphics that I can tell.


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#140 Today 15:23:58

DeepDayze
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

bigbenaugust wrote:

lspci -vvv says I only have one VGA Compatible Controller and it is the NVIDIA one:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107GLM [Quadro M1000M] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
        Subsystem: Lenovo GM107GLM [Quadro M1000M]

It has an Intel chipset, that is for sure, but not graphics that I can tell.

Ahh, perhaps there was something weird that made X server think you had an intel GPU in there, thus it failing. So good you got it all working again smile


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#141 Today 19:11:50

bigbenaugust
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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

DeepDayze wrote:

Ahh, perhaps there was something weird that made X server think you had an intel GPU in there, thus it failing. So good you got it all working again smile

Yeah, came back from afternoon meeting, restarted my box and... nothin'! Oh well, my spare machine running MX was all ready to go while I troubleshot this one. smile


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