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#101 2019-07-07 01:35:30

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

johnraff wrote:

But if you're eager for BL on Buster why not do a Buster netinstall add the experimental repo and add BL from the metapackage? That's what this thread is all about, after all. It will be quite easy to switch to the regular BL repos later, after the official release.

That's exactly what I did for Stretch on my work machine two years ago. wink


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#102 2019-07-07 04:26:06

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Hi Ghorvath!

ghorvath wrote:

Now that a lot of development is going towards the possibility of using other WMs, will there be a page in bunsen-welcome, where the user could ask for installing, say, xfwm4, and then would get it completely bunsenified by the script?

Yes, some hours have gone into making it easier for users to change window manager. At this point, though, there are many more urgent things to be done before Lithium is released, so going as far as complete automation for switching to certain popular WMs is not likely to happen soon. It's already much easier to bunsenify a different WM than it was, IMO.

Raspberry Pi 4 is now basically as strong as a complete PC. Is there a chance to provide armhf support, maybe some netinstall script that can be used to set up a Bunsenlabs feel on Raspbian buster (already out).

Our packages are already released with armhf builds along with amd64 and i386. However that build gets much less testing than the others, so complete absence of bugs is not guaranteed. If you'd like to try the existing netinstall script on a basic raspbian system, and report back in a new topic in this "Development & Suggestions" forum with your results, it would speed up the process of getting a dedicated Raspbian script off the ground. (Note: there is no Lithium branch yet. That should arrive before long.)

And thanks for the suggestions. smile


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#103 2019-07-07 14:49:06

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

@hhh, @johnraff Thanks for the quick answers. I understand that there are a lot of more important things to do. In any case, these can be added at a later stage.

As for testing the Raspbian builds: Thanks for letting me know that armhf is already supported. I probably will check out the Lithium script whenever it will be ready. However, it might be from xfce4, instead of openbox.

I am in the process of purchasing a Pi4 (out of stock in Europe....). I mostly will use the dual screen for logging in from home to my workplace. As that is not working properly from pure openbox (original thread is here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=5814), I'll almost surely will use xfce4, and probably will cut back on using openbox (if at all).

So I will probably try to bunsenify the xfce4. And as I understand, that would be 100x easier using Lithium than Helium.

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#104 2019-07-08 02:56:36

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

ghorvath wrote:

bunsenify the xfce4

There are two things this might mean:

1) Start from a basic BunsenLabs install, change window manager to xfwm4 and add any other xfce apps you think you need.

2) Start from a basic xfce4 system and change the appearance to look like BunsenLabs, possibly adding some BL scripts or utilities.

The changes made in the way a Lithium session starts up were intended to make option 1) easier.


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#105 2019-07-08 05:40:15

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

johnraff wrote:
ghorvath wrote:

bunsenify the xfce4

There are two things this might mean:

1) Start from a basic BunsenLabs install, change window manager to xfwm4 and add any other xfce apps you think you need.
The changes made in the way a Lithium session starts up were intended to make option 1) easier.

Add a full xfce4 session (not tested by me, but I will. This sounds fun...)

https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xf … led_system

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#106 2019-07-08 08:53:56

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

johnraff wrote:
ghorvath wrote:

bunsenify the xfce4

There are two things this might mean:

1) Start from a basic BunsenLabs install, change window manager to xfwm4 and add any other xfce apps you think you need.

2) Start from a basic xfce4 system and change the appearance to look like BunsenLabs, possibly adding some BL scripts or utilities.

The changes made in the way a Lithium session starts up were intended to make option 1) easier.

Hm, to be honest, I was rather thinking about the second option. That is, I may go with installing debian with xfce4 desktop environment, and then maybe add the Bunsen repos, and see what I would want to grab from there.

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#107 2019-07-08 10:51:15

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Hello, I have recently bought a Pinebook laptop with arm64 architecture. Soon there will be new images for Armbian Buster. I'd like to setup my Armbian with Bunsen packages. What about providing arm64 debs in addition to armhf in the future? Thanks!

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#108 2019-07-08 10:52:01

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

I'm also in favour of at least an i3-gaps bunsenified flavour.

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#109 2019-07-09 16:09:10

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

I just did a debian netinst + BL setup, but jgmenu seems to be broken. Actually, it didn't install it and trying to call up a menu tole me jgmenu_run was missing. After installing it, it just drops a

fatal: cannot fine a menu file
fatal: file did not contain any menu items

in my xsession-errors every time I click.
I'm not sure how to point it to the one you've provided.


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#110 2019-07-09 16:24:13

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Have you installed bunsen-configs and run bl-user-setup --refresh

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#111 2019-07-09 16:25:03

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Or just copy from /etc/skel to ~/.config/jgmenu

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#112 2019-07-09 16:36:39

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Have you installed lxmenu-data?

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#113 2019-07-09 16:59:44

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

1. bunsen-configs is installed
2. I did run bl-user-setup --refresh (but this was on a fresh install). I also did an rm -rf ~/.config/ .
3. I also tried copying the /usr/share/bunsen/skel/.config/jgmenu into ~/.config
4. lxmenu-data is not installed.
(type type type)

Well, there it is! Thanks! Looks like there is a missing dependency or three.


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#114 2019-07-10 04:02:15

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

^lxmenu-data is in the depends of bunsen-configs, but it's a Recommends: not a hard Depends:
This is because there might be people who do not want the jgmenu applications menu, but if you installed BL from the metapackage without recommends then you won't have got it.

Maybe lxmenu-data and some other recent recommends of bunsen-configs should be added to the depends of bunsen-meta-all.


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#115 2019-07-10 04:44:23

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

Yes, with the current jgmenu and prepend.csv, we need a menu package. I think lxmenu-data is best.

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#116 2019-07-10 15:46:58

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

I might have read the wrong doc that says to do a

apt install --no-recommends bunsen-meta-all

after the netinst.

Edit: fixed so as to not lead anyone astray. Yes, I slipped up and typed yum initially. tongue

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#117 2019-07-11 01:01:38

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

bigbenaugust wrote:

I might have read the wrong doc that says to do a

yum install --no-recommends bunsen-meta-all

after the netinst.

Yum (and dnf in newer Fedora releases) is the package tool for Fedora/RHEL smile

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#118 2019-07-11 02:02:26

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

DeepDayze wrote:
bigbenaugust wrote:

I might have read the wrong doc that says to do a

yum install --no-recommends bunsen-meta-all

after the netinst.

Yum (and dnf in newer Fedora releases) is the package tool for Fedora/RHEL smile

Blast it! This is what I get for working with several hundred RHEL boxes every day, then coming home to Debian!  lol

Of course, I meant apt!  tongue


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#119 2019-07-11 06:53:40

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

...but anyway, you're right that the docs suggest bunsen-meta-all is installed without recommends (to avoid a recursive avalanche), so indeed a couple more necessary packages need adding to its Depends.

The idea is that cherry-pickers should be able to install individual components of BL without dragging in too much unwanted bloat, but the metapackage is aimed at people who want the default BL setup in one fell swoop, so should depend on everything needed. Package upgrade coming soon...

bunsen-meta-all 10.0.1-4 now released.

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#120 2019-07-11 16:00:59

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Re: Experimental BunsenLabs Lithium

bigbenaugust wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
bigbenaugust wrote:

I might have read the wrong doc that says to do a

yum install --no-recommends bunsen-meta-all

after the netinst.

Yum (and dnf in newer Fedora releases) is the package tool for Fedora/RHEL smile

Blast it! This is what I get for working with several hundred RHEL boxes every day, then coming home to Debian!  lol

Of course, I meant apt!  tongue

LOL, besides the switches to the command are wrong anyway for yum big_smile

Maybe you got Fedebian (Fedora and Debian mashup)!

On topic, bet soon Lithium will see the light of day smile

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