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#1 2019-05-31 09:56:28

Colonel Panic
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Youtube substitutes

Hi. Like probably most people here I use Youtube a lot, but I've recently become aware that there are alternatives to it such as Cloudtube here which offer most of the same functionality Youtube does but without the adverts;

https://cadence.gq/cloudtube/search


I have a two part question. What do you think are the ethical issues, if any, of using *one of these (as far as I can see they rely on Youtube's video database in order to function, so they aren't truly independent of it), and if they're OK to use, which in your opinion is the best one?

Thanks in advance,

CP .

* There used to be one called Hooktube which fell foul of Youtube's lawyers and is now basically just a lightweight version of Youtube.

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#2 2019-05-31 16:37:50

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Re: Youtube substitutes

ethical?
what on earth do you mean.
seriously, can you expand?

I use mpv + youtube-dl to watch yt videos.
often people link to invido.us or hooktube.com; those also work with youtube-dl.
also see here.

do you want to watch youtube videos, or other videos?

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#3 2019-05-31 18:35:32

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Re: Youtube substitutes

It's quite likely I'll show my ignorance here, but here goes anyway.

If you watch a video on Youtube, you normally have to watch an advert first (from which the company which owns Youtube, Google, earns money) and the person who uploaded the video also has the satisfaction of knowing that their video was seen by yet another person.

Hooktube attempted to circumvent this process; if you watched a video on Hooktube, you didn't have to watch an ad first, which meant Google didn't earn money from ads on that occasion; and at the same time the person who uploaded the video wasn't notified that you had viewed it. Neither of which, naturally, was welcome to Youtube which was why their lawyers got involved and Hooktube was forced to change their offer.

You might say that's not an ethical issue; but what is it then? It can't be a purely commercial one because Hooktube broke the link between the number of people viewing the video and the Youtube counter.

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#4 2019-06-01 04:32:35

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Re: Youtube substitutes

Colonel Panic wrote:

If you watch a video on Youtube, you normally have to watch an advert first

not me:

ohnonot wrote:

I use mpv + youtube-dl to watch yt videos.

edit: and Newpipe on my phone.

now you've been given a few links; what of those is a "more ethical yt substitute", and why - or why not?

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#5 2019-06-01 05:04:35

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Re: Youtube substitutes

ohnonot wrote:

why - or why not?

Oh no - or oh no not?

Boom goes the bl-fortunes dynamite. Or, oh no, not.

@ohnonot has given you your answer. Use youtube-dl to download the video...

sudo apt install youtube-dl

Find a disturbing video on that site...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcI5rNR5TGM

Open a terminal and download it...

youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcI5rNR5TGM

Play it with your favorite media player, video or audio. Google and the OP will have a record of one download, you will have an ad-free copy you can play as many times as you like.

I'm guessing this is technically illegal pretty much everywhere on Earth. Debian, the universal operating system.

I did not say this. I was never here. (name the Sci-Fi movie)

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#6 2019-06-01 05:25:03

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Re: Youtube substitutes

Sorry, too grim. Something sweeter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sWTnsemkIs

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#7 2019-06-01 16:44:30

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#8 2019-06-01 16:49:14

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Re: Youtube substitutes

^ not sure if I should launch another "only youtube-dl is able to keep abreast with youtube's api-changing-game" lecture, or just wai 'til the poster evtl. complains about smtube not working and debian being old and crusty...

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#9 2019-06-01 16:52:38

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Re: Youtube substitutes

^ ha, im using archlinux. Id have to reboot into debian and apt-get to see if smtube is working. Its fine on archlinux for the moment. I do get what you mean though, past results with smtube have not been very good.

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#10 2019-06-01 18:53:50

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Re: Youtube substitutes

Thanks for the suggestion. I've just installed SMTube, and this was the message I got when I loaded it;

"Due to changes in YouTube, the old SMTube doesn't work anymore.
This is a new version of SMTube, written from scratch. Some functionality is not available yet.
Important:
If the VEVO videos fail to play, please use the option Update the YouTube code in the Help menu."

A straight click on the album cover displayed in SMTube generally seems to give this message;

"It wasn't possible to find the URL for this video."

Right clicking on it though brings down a range of options, one of which is "Open link in a web browser," which then loads the video and plays it (without ads). So, definitely worth trying.

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#11 2019-06-02 05:25:20

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Re: Youtube substitutes

^ erm, I told you so?

I will write a blog article about this soon, meanwhile you can use this one.

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#12 2019-06-02 12:48:30

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Re: Youtube substitutes

When i use uBlock Origin firefox addon it completely filters out any sort of advertising on youtube videos. I just make sure to tick everything in the filters list in the dashboard settings except for the regions/languages.

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#13 2019-06-07 18:29:30

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Re: Youtube substitutes

Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I've tried youtube-dl and although it works well I don't think it would work for me as a permanent solution because I watch too many videos and have too small a hard drive (a Pink Floyd compilation I listened to, for example, came to 178 MB).

To make it work on a full time basis I think you'd have be very disciplined, which I'm not, and keep on deleting video downloads after you'd finished viewing them.

ClusterF; I'll try UBlock Origin next.

OhNoNot; I did get something out of SM tube though it was too limited for me to want to use it as a permanent solution.

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#14 2019-06-07 19:19:04

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Re: Youtube substitutes

a. There is also this https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube (haven't tested or used for a while).

b. And this (which can live in .bashrc or similar)

# mpv ytdl search?
yt() {
	    mpv --script-opts=ytdl_hook-try_ytdl_first=yes ytdl://ytsearch20:"$*"
    }

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#15 2019-06-07 19:40:50

Colonel Panic
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Re: Youtube substitutes

Thanks, I'll have a look at that soon.

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#16 2019-06-12 06:14:24

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Re: Youtube substitutes

Colonel Panic wrote:

I've tried youtube-dl and although it works well I don't think it would work for me as a permanent solution because I watch too many videos and have too small a hard drive (...).

To make it work on a full time basis I think you'd have be very disciplined, which I'm not, and keep on deleting video downloads after you'd finished viewing them.

mpv will do that for you.
It will automatically (when it is found in $PATH) use youtube-dl for playing online content, so you just do

mpv https://youtube...something

by default, the video is deleted right after watching.

also have a look at this article to make it work from your browser with one click.

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#17 2019-06-12 08:29:49

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Re: Youtube substitutes

^ That, and/or I did a lil droplet I'am using on a daily bases.

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