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#201 2018-03-26 20:45:09

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

pamir wrote:

NotoSans-Regular.ttf: "Noto Sans" "Regular"

That is as it should be.

To get more complete coverage try the Microsoft fonts:

sudo apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer

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#202 2018-03-26 20:46:17

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

Hyacinth wrote:

I tried to install Alpha 6, but the step where you install the system, after the partioning, failed. I tried both automatic guided partioning, selecting the largest continuous free space (30 gigabytes after the Windows partition, it split that into 22GB for root, and 8GB for swap), as well as creating an ext4 partition myself of 30GB

Try partitioning the drive before running the installer, the partitioning program is not the best, unfortunately.

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#203 2018-03-26 21:07:17

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Hyacinth wrote:

I tried to install Alpha 6, but the step where you install the system, after the partioning, failed. I tried both automatic guided partioning, selecting the largest continuous free space (30 gigabytes after the Windows partition, it split that into 22GB for root, and 8GB for swap), as well as creating an ext4 partition myself of 30GB

Try partitioning the drive before running the installer, the partitioning program is not the best, unfortunately.

You can do this using gParted from the Live session. Just don't mess up or you get to keep the pieces!

-edit- I somewhat jest. Unless you're trying to keep a Windows recovery partition and end up overwriting it, you can fix mistakes or repartition again via the Live session.

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#204 2018-03-26 21:44:26

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

I just installed the alpha6-amd64 on my desktop machine. All in all it went really smooth and felt more like an RC or Beta than Alpha-state!
Nevertheless here are some notes and comments, mostly personal taste related:

1. Browser icon
internet-web-browser.png Despite Paper's default icon "web-browser" there is this cloud icon "applications-internet" taken from the categories subsection. That's a bit confusing, or at least, not intuitive. Why not stick with the navigator icon?

2. Terminal background
Terminator's background color is a bit too "blueish" and doesn't fit into the rest of Beam's coloring. Maybe something more grey? Not sure...
Bildschirmfoto_2018-03-26_23-38-17_comb.th.png
(left: original / right: my try)

3. Power Manager tray icon on non-battery machines
preferences-system-power.png All default tray icons are small, white/grey and fine lined. Though the power manager icon itself is fine it just doesn't fit into the tray bar. Just like a big fat pineapple looking to distract me just by being around. Could it be hidden per default on desktop machines where no battery status is needed?

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#205 2018-03-26 23:25:25

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3. Power Manager tray icon on non-battery machines
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snwh/ … -power.png All default tray icons are small, white/grey and fine lined. Though the power manager icon itself is fine it just doesn't fit into the tray bar. Just like a big fat pineapple looking to distract me just by being around. Could it be hidden per default on desktop machines where no battery status is needed?

The interesting thing about this is that the status icon is showing when the Option under XFCE Power Manager settings is unchecked. However, when I check | uncheck it, it operates normally. Is this a bug?

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#206 2018-03-26 23:36:06

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

vinzv wrote:

I just installed the alpha6-amd64 on my desktop machine. All in all it went really smooth and felt more like an RC or Beta than Alpha-state!

That's because we are 97%(?) Debian. These are our (johnraff's) early ISOs, we use alpha because that's the protocol for covering one's ass.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snwh/ … rowser.png Despite Paper's default icon "web-browser" there is this cloud icon "applications-internet" taken from the categories subsection. That's a bit confusing, or at least, not intuitive. Why not stick with the navigator icon?

Screenshot (Prnt Scrn, post to scrot.moe and link the BBCode), so we're sure what you're talking about?

2. Terminal background
Terminator's background color is a bit too "blueish" and doesn't fit into the rest of Beam's coloring. Maybe something more grey? Not sure...
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2018/03/26/Bildschirmfoto_2018-03-26_23-38-17_comb.th.png
(left: original / right: my try)

Very subjective, this is the type of stuff we encourage our users to tackle, for fun! BTW, to my eye it matches dmenu (Alt+F3) very well, and gives enough contrast to denote that these important apps are worth our attention. Note, the visual style is ongoing and up-dateable, we want to concentrate on a solid ISO before we get nit-picky about graphics.

3. Power Manager tray icon on non-battery machines
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snwh/ … -power.png All default tray icons are small, white/grey and fine lined. Though the power manager icon itself is fine it just doesn't fit into the tray bar. Just like a big fat pineapple looking to distract me just by being around. Could it be hidden per default on desktop machines where no battery status is needed?

-edit- A bug in xfce4-power-manager, or our setup. Try this... Right-click the battery systray icon, choose Power Manager Preferences. In the General tab (opened by default), check and uncheck the Powermanager>systray icon checkbox, set it where you want it, logout/login (maybe reboot). /edit

Great feedback. Thanks very much, and thanks for your time testing our ISO!


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#207 2018-03-27 00:14:53

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

tknomanzr wrote:

... when I check | uncheck it, it operates normally. Is this a bug?

Yes, in xfce4-power-manager. Upstream and benign, we'll just have to keep posting this workaround. big_smile

hhh (sic) wrote:

Right-click the battery systray icon, choose Power manager settings... at the bottom of the menu. In the General tab (opened by default), check and uncheck the Appearance>Show system tray icon checkbox, set it where you want it, reboot.

-edit- fail proof?

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#208 2018-03-27 00:46:06

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

Ok. So probably a lot more people are seeing the icon than usual.

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#209 2018-03-27 06:39:29

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

Thanks for the feedback vinzv, and everyone else!

vinzv wrote:

1. Browser icon
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snwh/ … rowser.png Despite Paper's default icon "web-browser" there is this cloud icon "applications-internet" taken from the categories subsection. That's a bit confusing, or at least, not intuitive. Why not stick with the navigator icon?

Well, there is no x-www-browser.desktop file provided by Debian, so we ship our own bl-www-browser.desktop instead, and we can use any icon we want. There is no "standard" icon name for a web browser defined in the Freedesktop naming specification, while "applications-internet" is there. Although not ideal, I was hoping, when we chose that for Hydrogen, to choose an icon which the greatest number of icon themes would be likely to support.

What icon name would you recommend for a generic web browser, which is available in most icon themes? Changing to that would be no problem. smile

2. Terminal background
Terminator's background color is a bit too "blueish" and doesn't fit into the rest of Beam's coloring. Maybe something more grey? Not sure...

There is now an alternative dark grey Terminator profile "Hydrogen" in its right-click menu.

3. Power Manager tray icon on non-battery machines
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snwh/ … -power.png All default tray icons are small, white/grey and fine lined. Though the power manager icon itself is fine it just doesn't fit into the tray bar.

Agreed! Several people have commented on this, and we're all thinking about it right now. Maybe just change the colour?


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#210 2018-03-27 07:20:04

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

johnraff wrote:

Thanks for the feedback vinzv, and everyone else!

3. Power Manager tray icon on non-battery machines
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snwh/ … -power.png All default tray icons are small, white/grey and fine lined. Though the power manager icon itself is fine it just doesn't fit into the tray bar.

Agreed! Several people have commented on this, and we're all thinking about it right now. Maybe just change the colour?

It bugs me to and I totally agree with changing the colour as a very good solution smile

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#211 2018-03-27 07:55:56

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

^Would this work, for example?
1MTTUk4m.png


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#212 2018-03-27 09:26:00

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

johnraff wrote:

1. Browser icon
What icon name would you recommend for a generic web browser, which is available in most icon themes? Changing to that would be no problem. smile

I'd go with internet-web-browser.

johnraff wrote:

There is now an alternative dark grey Terminator profile "Hydrogen" in its right-click menu.

Perfect! It's personal taste of course, just wanted to point it out.

johnraff wrote:

Several people have commented on this, and we're all thinking about it right now. Maybe just change the colour?

Totally fine for me, but: I'd opt for hiding the icon on desktop PCs per default as it's not necessary. For laptops there's the right one (small, with changing colors per battery state) already used. So adding the fix to xfce4-power-manager.xml to /etc/skel/ could help fixing the problem with deactivated icon but still being showed.

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#213 2018-03-27 10:33:37

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

johnraff wrote:

^Would this work, for example?
https://i.imgur.com/1MTTUk4m.png

I think so smile

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#214 2018-03-27 11:43:23

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

johnraff wrote:

^Would this work, for example?
https://i.imgur.com/1MTTUk4m.png

Looks good! To give more choice here are two more variants:
gnome-power-manager-symbolic_var1b3771ea0bd18e862.pnggnome-power-manager-symbolic_var255b58356539c3d18.png
The second one's inner area is transparent so it might fit better to the other icons and tint2.

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#215 2018-03-27 11:43:57

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^ Those look pretty good.

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#216 2018-03-27 14:00:17

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For the web browser icon, and admittedly this is a pie in the sky idea, it’d be cool to have the tint2 icon change to be whatever the default web browser is. I.e. it’s a Firefox icon by default, and if you change your default browser to chrome, it becomes that.

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#217 2018-03-27 14:10:32

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

hhh wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Hyacinth wrote:

I tried to install Alpha 6, but the step where you install the system, after the partioning, failed. I tried both automatic guided partioning, selecting the largest continuous free space (30 gigabytes after the Windows partition, it split that into 22GB for root, and 8GB for swap), as well as creating an ext4 partition myself of 30GB

Try partitioning the drive before running the installer, the partitioning program is not the best, unfortunately.

You can do this using gParted from the Live session. Just don't mess up or you get to keep the pieces!

-edit- I somewhat jest. Unless you're trying to keep a Windows recovery partition and end up overwriting it, you can fix mistakes or repartition again via the Live session.

Thanks, I will try that and see if it helped!
I should then not reformat the partition inside the BunsenLabs installer, correct?

EDIT: It worked out! Great!

I was surprised to see that bl-welcome on first start uses apt-get instead of apt, because as I understand it apt is the current way to use the package manager?

Last edited by Hyacinth (2018-03-27 14:51:19)

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#218 2018-03-27 15:23:34

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

cloverskull wrote:

For the web browser icon, and admittedly this is a pie in the sky idea, it’d be cool to have the tint2 icon change to be whatever the default web browser is. I.e. it’s a Firefox icon by default, and if you change your default browser to chrome, it becomes that.

That's what x-www-browser is for, I think. The .desktop file of the launcher if set to x-www-browser shows what's available in the iconset an it's fallback sets.

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#219 2018-03-28 02:05:25

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

Hyacinth wrote:
hhh wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Try partitioning the drive before running the installer, the partitioning program is not the best, unfortunately.

You can do this using gParted from the Live session. Just don't mess up or you get to keep the pieces!

-edit- I somewhat jest. Unless you're trying to keep a Windows recovery partition and end up overwriting it, you can fix mistakes or repartition again via the Live session.

Thanks, I will try that and see if it helped!
I should then not reformat the partition inside the BunsenLabs installer, correct?

EDIT: It worked out! Great!

I was surprised to see that bl-welcome on first start uses apt-get instead of apt, because as I understand it apt is the current way to use the package manager?

Apt is still considered unstable for programmatic usage, although I have used it in the past. I think it just means that Debian is reserving the right to change the API until they are satisfied with it.

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#220 2018-03-28 02:19:20

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Re: [OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

Hyacinth wrote:

I was surprised to see that bl-welcome on first start uses apt-get instead of apt, because as I understand it apt is the current way to use the package manager?

Apt is still considered unstable for programmatic usage, although I have used it in the past. I think it just means that Debian is reserving the right to change the API until they are satisfied with it.

For maintenance, though, apt is the way to go...

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

And, very cautiously, and post if you're uncertain...

sudo apt --purge autoremove

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