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#26 2018-02-08 06:38:03

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

BTW there is still residual config for xfce4-terminal in our config directory - bring it in sync with terminator, or just delete it?


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#27 2018-02-08 07:52:45

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

johnraff wrote:

#c8e0e0

Yes, I like that one, it's very subtle.

johnraff wrote:

What do people who use transparent terminals actually use them for? I mean, what would be the criterion as to what degree of opacity is right?

It needs to look cool but still be readable, I usually set it to ~85-90%, depending on the background colours.

I vote to scrap the xfce4-terminal configuration, we already have urxvt (configuration) as a lighter alternative.


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#28 2018-02-08 09:08:55

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^That color looks good, a bit darker but easy to read.

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#29 2018-02-08 18:08:27

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

^ Ok. So we're dealing with two separate things there. Moving back to the terminator profile, I went to terminal.sexy and played around for awhile this morning. I started off with a gutterslob scheme and modified it. We could probably use this to tune in the settings. terminal.sexy can generate color entries for a terminator profile when you choose export. In order to test, copy/paste the config into ~/.config/terminator/config. I just mention this because for fine tuning the palette it was necessary for me to copy the palette entries into that file, then re-open the preferences dialog and close it to get terminator to refresh its palette.

terminator config

[global_config]
  dbus = False
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#707172"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#515151"
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
[keybindings]
  hide_window = <Shift><Control>a
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      parent = window0
      type = Terminal
    [[[window0]]]
      parent = ""
      size = 680, 540
      type = Window
[plugins]
[profiles]
  [[default]]
    background_color = "#053030"
    background_darkness = 0.8
    background_type = transparent
    color_scheme = custom
    cursor_color = "#c0e0e0"
    font = Monospace 10
    foreground_color = "#c8e0e0"
     palette = "#515151:#0b220f:#65a446:#ad8a43:#6bc29f:#9e6bb8:#67a682:#919191:#707172:#74a159:#8ba97c:#d4c3a0:#448e5b:#d2b1e2:#a4d0c1:#d0d0d0"
    scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = False

^ Terminator does have its issues, especially when trying to manipulate it programmatically. terminal.sexy also has the ability to generate .Xresources entries.  At any rate, I am really just posting this to start a reference point for the conversation. Id really like to hear someone else's opinion on this, though.
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#30 2018-02-09 05:15:08

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

^That's fixed the nasty green prompt! It must have been the palette.
In fact I'd be OK with that conf file.
For me, the font is too small and I wind it up to 12, but that's always the case and I'm sure 10 would be good for most people.

Cursor colour: by default terminator uses the foreground colour. To use a different colour from foreground you need the line

cursor_color_fg = False

in config, along with the cursor_color setting. That line is added if you open Profiles>General and click the Colour: button away from "foreground" under "Cursor".

Out of interest, I tried upping the foreground_color brightness 16 more to #d8f0f0. Too bright now? #d0e8e8? It would be nice to know we've hit the exact sweet spot.

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Also tried replacing the d8d8d8 font colours in tint2 with d8f0f0, and ID 7 - tooltip's background_color to #053030 so tooltips match the terminal. Hmm...


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#31 2018-02-09 11:27:32

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

^It's the same for me with the font size. What about having at least 11 on default? Any downside of it?

Regarding the last stage of the color scheme could you please post the whole config file?

There are many details to change and it'd be easier to any user to give it a try.

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#32 2018-02-09 19:28:02

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

^ In retrospect, I felt like that scheme was too green, meaning all of the green needed more blue in it. After working on it more this morning, I came up with this:

[global_config]
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#515151"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#707172"

[profiles]
  [[default]]
	palette = "#515151:#10b8b8:#0f8b8b:#4398ad:#0e191a:#6bb8b1:#67a6a1:#44b1aa:#707172:#129f9f:#8de1d6:#a0bcd4:#6eb7d5:#b1e1e2:#a4d0c1:#469393"
    background_color = "#064141"
    background_darkness = 0.8
    background_type = transparent
    color_scheme = custom
    cursor_color = "#c0e0e0"
    cursor_color_fg = False
	foreground_color = "#d8f0f0"
	scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = True
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      type = Terminal
      parent = window0
      profile = default
    [[[window0]]]
      type = Window
      parent = ""
[plugins]

I personally like this iteration about the best so far. NOTE: I upped the basic font brightness up to #d8f0f0 as suggested. Because I reduced the transparency on the terminal window, it caused the color to darken somewhat to an almost forest green, so I brought it back down some to 064141. The screenshot below should show the terminal in various contexts: directory listings, MOC music player, two log files being tailed.

MOC Music Player
Screenshot_2018-02-09_13-22-47.th.png
Directory Listings
Screenshot_2018-02-09_13-23-03.th.png
Screenshot_2018-02-09_13-23-16.th.png
Journalctl -xf
Screenshot_2018-02-09_13-23-27.th.png

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#33 2018-02-09 22:25:27

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

The palette seems slightly restricted for my tastes.

I like to use htop & screenfetch to test:

2018-02-09-214834_1280x768_scrot.th.png

I have to say that my preference would be for a more neutral terminal colour scheme that could be used with themes other than Beam.

I would personally vote for keeping the Deuterium colours because they seem to work just fine with the Beam desktop.


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#34 2018-02-10 02:48:27

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

@tk why is the background so much darker in the last shot (Journalctl -xf)?

To be honest, the first three all look a bit too coloured to me. Very dark green (blackboard?) background with just slightly cyan off-white text is what I'd prefer, I think.

EDIT looking again, had to agree with @tknomanzr that the background is too green, compared with the beam wallpaper. Went to the darkest zone with a colour picker and got #120417. With opacity up to 0.85, looked like this:
iBwr02Hm.png

Going back to Deuterium non-colours as HoaS prefers is an option we should perhaps also keep in mind, though it's not very interesting...

Any other opinions?

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#35 2018-02-10 09:24:08

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

Replacing terminator with tilix?
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2017/08/03/tilix.png
Even more offtopic: Possibly interesting mono-spaced font https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/M-1m

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#36 2018-02-10 15:53:59

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

brontosaurusrex wrote:

Replacing terminator with tilix?

No! tongue


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#37 2018-02-10 16:15:34

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

@bronto I guess for tilix questions (or any other terminal related) it'd be better time after the release to discuss. I think though that this thread might deserve to move it form the "going nowhere" section as there are useful info in it (and tilix is great). And it just came to my mind that the menu is on "super", so it'd be even possible to put the terminal on "super+space" (or something else). Actually as a big change in the future it could be considered to put tilix or terminator as a drop down terminal on "super+space" (or F12. Or: "super+space" on desktop and F12 drop down). But it's just a vague idea, maybe no one likes drop down terminals here.

@johnraff That dark background looks definitely better here than the former ones. The font color makes also a different impression now, more "cyanish" (terminal is a bit shiny cyanish, conky is darker greenish). I think on the screenshot it is not as cyanish as it is actually, but not much difference.

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#38 2018-02-11 02:11:45

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

The topic of BL's default terminal, text editor etc, keeps coming up, and keeps rehashing, mostly, the same things, so gets grumpily moved to TGN by mods who would rather talk about something else.
It's extremely easy to replace terminator with something else, set x-terminal-emulator accordingly, and carry on...

Of course, OTOH, sharing news about favourite applications and how to configure them is welcome material for new topics. smile
This is probably the best way to start the ball rolling for a default app shift (or any other BL paradigm shift for that matter). If a lot of forum members try eg tilix and post back with their positive experiences and suggested configs then at some point in the future it might look like a good switch.

Anyway, this thread is about default configuration for our current default terminal, terminator. (We'll probably add config in ~/.Xdefaults for the popular second choice urxvt to match.)


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#39 2018-02-11 02:18:09

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

martix wrote:

...the menu is on "super", so it'd be even possible to put the terminal on "super+space" (or something else).

What's wrong with the current "Super+T"?

@johnraff That dark background looks definitely better here than the former ones. The font color makes also a different impression now, more "cyanish" (terminal is a bit shiny cyanish, conky is darker greenish). I think on the screenshot it is not as cyanish as it is actually, but not much difference.

I think different peoples' displays (and eyes) handle these thing differently, so this kind of feedback is important. We have to try and find settings that will look good for as many people as possible, and annoy as few as possible.  wink


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#40 2018-02-11 02:25:02

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^Not that there is something wrong with super+t, just having super for menu now makes super+space available for something else.

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#41 2018-02-11 21:37:08

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

Going back to Deuterium non-colours as HoaS prefers is an option we should perhaps also keep in mind, though it's not very interesting...

Any other opinions?

We could certainly do so, but to me, the Deuterium theme just not blend well with the rest of the Helium theme. So here is one last attempt. I have placed the Deuterium terminals to the right for comparison. I also changed tint2's text colors to help blend the elements of the terminal, conky, and tint2 together. It's ok if we want to stick with Deuterium's defaults. I just want to get back to my work on bl-exit, and with school, I find myself needing to prioritize my time, so I don't want to end up bogged down in the bike shed.

@joahnraff if you set transparency less than roughly 95% opaque, the colors tend to shift a bit depending on where on the screen the terminal lies in reference to the underlying wallpaper. Thus, the terminal ends up lighter over the light parts and vice versa. For this reason, I chose to ditch transparency altogether.

[global_config]
  dbus = False
  enabled_plugins = TerminatorThemes, LaunchpadCodeURLHandler, APTURLHandler, LaunchpadBugURLHandler
  title_font = Monospace 11
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#888a85"
  title_receive_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#6daaaa"
  title_use_system_font = False
[keybindings]
  hide_window = <Shift><Control>a
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      parent = window0
      type = Terminal
    [[[window0]]]
      parent = ""
      size = 680, 540
      type = Window
[plugins]
[profiles]
  [[default]]
    background_color = "#2e3949"
    cursor_color = "#6ab3b3"
    font = Monospace 11
    foreground_color = "#6daaaa"
    palette = "#5f5f5f:#d96468:#a2d964:#d9c964:#64a2d9:#9a64d9:#64d9d5:#989898:#828282:#d98f93:#b8d98f:#d9cf8f:#8f99d9:#b08fd9:#8fd9d5:#c5c5c5"
    use_system_font = False

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#42 2018-02-11 22:21:02

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

I love those colours but can we please lose the superfluous second title bar, that just wastes screen real estate (IMO).

EDIT: this should do it:

show_titlebar = False

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#43 2018-02-11 22:28:54

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

That is not a problem. I usually don't have it turned on. I guess it is there for undecorated windows.

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This looks very nice - is everyone OK if we go with this config? cool

Couple of non-colour tweaks:
1) Do we need to enable those plugins by default, especially the Launchpad ones? Just omit this line?

enabled_plugins = TerminatorThemes, LaunchpadCodeURLHandler, APTURLHandler, LaunchpadBugURLHandler

2) As HoaS points out, disable the extra title, and as I pointed out, enable the separate cursor colour, with these two extra lines in [profiles]

show_titlebar = False
cursor_color_fg = False

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Then set for urxvt, in .Xdefaults:
font to monospace 11
spacing to -2
foregound to #6daaaa
background to #2e3949
transparency off
OK?
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Finally, @tknomanzr, which text colour settings did you change in tint2rc?
Should we change the tooltip background colour to #2e3949 to match the terminal?

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Tint2: it's a pity that the system-tray tooltip styling doesn't match tint2's tooltips, but there's no quick fix for that I suppose, without diving into the GTK theme, right? Anyway, if anyone feels like taking this issue up it needs a new topic thread.


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#45 2018-02-12 05:20:41

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Paint that shed...  roll

@tknomanzr humble apologies, and I know you want to get back to your real work, but I just ran into Damo's confguration for dmenu. The colours are quite similar. If we adopted:

foreground_color = "#ADD8E6"
background_color = "#082B4A"

dmenu and terminal would match exactly. I think it still looks quite nice.


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#46 2018-02-12 07:59:53

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johnraff wrote:

Then set for urxvt, in .Xdefaults

Urxvt will ignore ~/.Xdefaults if any X resources are set (as in BunsenLabs) so we should use ~/.Xresources instead.


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#47 2018-02-13 01:57:16

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^Yes, indeed. Sorry, I always get mixed up with those two. roll
.Xresources is the BL default.

btw, how about removing all the xscreensaver stuff from that? Is anybody likely to want it?


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#48 2018-02-13 07:44:41

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johnraff wrote:

removing all the xscreensaver stuff from that?

+1

jwz would be annoyed if any BunsenLabs users ran his software anyway... lol

EDIT: reference: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=819703

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#49 2018-02-13 09:48:15

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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

jwz would be annoyed if any BunsenLabs users ran his software anyway... lol

EDIT: reference: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=819703

Oh man...this brings back memories. Hah.

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#50 2018-02-14 01:42:09

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Re: Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

Using the colours I found in Damo's config file for dmenu, adding back a hint of transparency at 0.90, and adjusting tint2's tooltip colours to match too:
VOvFtxJm.png

This slightly modified version of tknomanzr's last config file:

[global_config]
  dbus = False
  title_font = Monospace 11
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#888a85"
  title_receive_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#6daaaa"
  title_use_system_font = False
[keybindings]
  hide_window = <Shift><Control>a
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      parent = window0
      type = Terminal
    [[[window0]]]
      parent = ""
      size = 680, 540
      type = Window
[plugins]
[profiles]
  [[default]]
    show_titlebar = False
    background_darkness = 0.90
    background_type = transparent
    background_color = "#082B4A"
    cursor_color = "#6ab3b3"
    cursor_color_fg = False
    foreground_color = "#ADD8E6"
    font = Monospace 11
    palette = "#5f5f5f:#d96468:#a2d964:#d9c964:#64a2d9:#9a64d9:#64d9d5:#989898:#828282:#d98f93:#b8d98f:#d9cf8f:#8f99d9:#b08fd9:#8fd9d5:#c5c5c5"
    use_system_font = False

I find that text readable and think having the colours matching looks quite good.
Of course using tknomanzr's suggested - slightly more subdued - colours, and matching dmenu and tint2 to that, would work too.


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