When to upgrade to Stable/Stretch

NickC · 2017-07-06 01:47:22

There's plenty of posts on how to upgrade to Stretch from Jessie as a special. Now that Stretch is Stable, when/how should I upgrade to Stable? Will BL do it automatically in an update down the track?

As a side note, what are the implications of changing all references in apt's sources from Jessie to Stable?

thanks

damo · 2017-07-06 04:02:43

For BunsenLabs there isn't a straightforward way to do it without possible breakage yet. (There are several threads if you search the forums.)

Issues are around some changed dependencies, broken gtk themes etc., some bunsen packages.

Many folk have done it successfully though, so backup and have a go at a "Fool's Upgrade":

Horizon_Brave · 2017-07-06 04:09:58

Hi there! And welcome aboard! I've been here about a year and I still consider myself as new as the day I joined..
Anway, the distro won't update itself (this isn't Windows!) but you have two options. You can go out and grab the Stretch updated release, which is currently Debian Stable. You install it, as you normally would, and all your repo sources will be pointing to their Stretch repos. Then to give add the Bunsen flavoring...You can download our netinstall helium-dev release. This is a sort of "testing" in development release that will (soon) become Bunsenlab Helium. Which will be based on Debian Stretch.

The other option is to download and install Bunsenlabs Hydrogen, which is currently on version 8.7. This will install a copy of Jessie, and from there you can do a dist upgrade and get onto the new Stretch kernel, and you can add the repo's to your sourcles list yourself and backports if you're so inclined. I haven't had any issues officially swapping my sources to stretch. I even added backports, to my helium-dev setup. If anything you can always keep your jessie entries in your sources list but just commented out.

Horizon_Brave · 2017-07-06 04:11:36

damo wrote:

Many folk have done it successfully though, so backup and have a go at a "Fool's Upgrade":

#1 Fool reporting in! I haven't had any problems though! Just proves the "stableness" of Stretch and BunsenLabs actually

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-07-06 06:43:43

I leaving my Debian laptop tracking jessie until the LTS team take over in a year's time.

NickC wrote:

what are the implications of changing all references in apt's sources from Jessie to Stable?

If you have "stable" in your sources instead of the release name ("jessie" or "stretch") then the system will attempt to upgrade from jessie to stretch immediately upon the release of the latter, this is not what most users would want because some preparation is usually required before the upgrade [1] so it's probably best to use the release name instead.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … ng.en.html

bigbenaugust · 2017-07-06 12:45:03

Definitely use project names (stretch, jessie, lenny, etch, etc.) instead of stable, testing, or oldstable.

You could forget and have nasty surprises down the road.

webodan · 2017-07-30 14:10:15

I've just upgraded bl to Stretch too (just renamed the jessie repos with stretch and dist-upgraded) the themes broke (since they required a lower version of gtk3, dpkg removed them) but I just reinstalled the files into /usr/share/themes and everything runs pretty much like expected. I did because I wanted a more modern coreutils package. At this point I consider it pretty much a stable distro to be using Stretch instead of Jessie.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-07-30 14:45:22

webodan wrote:

the themes broke

If you change /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list to point to our Helium(-dev) repositories instead then upgrading the system will bring in the new themes that should work.

See the Adding the experimental Helium repository section at the end of this post for more details:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 382#p53382

At this point I consider it pretty much a stable distro to be using Stretch instead of Jessie.

+1

webodan · 2017-07-30 18:15:06

Thank you Head_on_a_Stick, it seems to have changed bl-exit so now it shuts down/reboots faster than right after dist-upgrading without the repo. Oh and the boot screen has a wallpaper.

KrunchTime · 2017-08-01 22:18:41

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I leaving my Debian laptop tracking jessie until the LTS team take over in a year's time.

I was researching something recently and came across a thread on the Debian forums. Someone stated that Stable isn't really stable until it's been out for about a year. I've never heard that before, but I do remember experiencing some minor hiccups when Jessie first came out.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-08-02 06:16:26

^ In my case, the hesitancy was more to do with resistance from $BETTER_HALF — Mrs. HoaS is a big jessie fan and doesn't like change

Anyway I've had a change of plan: I'm going to take a snapshot of the jessie system and then drag the snapshot through the `dist-upgrade` — that way we will have two identical systems, one running jessie the other stretch 8)

martix · 2017-08-02 13:42:07

^You could buy her one as a surprise, in order to ease the pain of saying good bye to Jessie.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-08-02 17:17:21

^ One step ahead:

Well, two actually

user_bugs · 2017-08-04 12:17:18

I tried to install the stretch and there was an error in the bot it did not start, can I wait a little longer to go to debian 9?
In the future will you have an update of bunsenlabs on debian 8 for debian 9? Automatically?

damo · 2017-08-04 12:59:12

user_bugs wrote:

I tried to install the stretch and there was an error in the bot it did not start, can I wait a little longer to go to debian 9?
In the future will you have an update of bunsenlabs on debian 8 for debian 9? Automatically?

Without telling us how you upgraded, and what the error was, it is impossible to help you.

There will never be an "automatic" upgrade. It is likely that the safest way to upgrade will be to install the new iso when it is released, but no doubt someone will write a step-by-step process for doing it manually.

Steve · 2017-08-04 13:18:42

In my understanding stretch is for newer machines, so if you have the latest and greatest or some such you may benefit from a more advanced kernel and all that it entails, also a bonus is a lot of applications that are tried and tested on jessie made good in stretch also.

Ill stick with Jessie for now having an older machine, i have thus far been able to run most programs i want under jessie, some that need tweaking.

user_bugs · 2017-08-04 17:00:51

damo wrote:

user_bugs wrote:
I tried to install the stretch and there was an error in the bot it did not start, can I wait a little longer to go to debian 9?
In the future will you have an update of bunsenlabs on debian 8 for debian 9? Automatically?
Without telling us how you upgraded, and what the error was, it is impossible to help you.
There will never be an "automatic" upgrade. It is likely that the safest way to upgrade will be to install the new iso when it is released, but no doubt someone will write a step-by-step process for doing it manually.

I changed jessie to stretch and did the update and the moment it finished I gave reboot and broke the grub

damo · 2017-08-04 18:47:11

Did you add the helium-dev repository?
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 221#p57221

ciaran · 2017-08-06 21:49:27

Finally got the time to make the upgrade from Jessie to Stretch. After adding the helium-dev repository everything is working perfectly. This is surprisingly stable!

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