I feel cheated.

soocki · 2017-05-28 14:31:34

Why has nobody told me about BunsenLABS/#! before?!

A long time Arch/Openbox user decided to look for something new and exciting and BANG! (so to speak) BunlenLABS!. Where have you been for all these years?! Or perhaps where have I been?

Awesome project by the looks of it, looking forward for years to come spent tegether.

Best of regards, SM

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-28 14:41:04

Hello soocki, welcome to the forums

Why has nobody told me about BunsenLABS/#! before?!

We're trying to keep the clientele exclusive 8o

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-28 14:45:38

Another hiya Soocki,

+1 the folks here at the BLabs sure did a top notch job.

DeepDayze · 2017-05-28 14:51:41

Welcome Soocki...you will find BL is #! reincarnated in a better way :-)

I have used #! in the past now rediscovering it myself.

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DeepDayze · 2017-05-28 14:53:16

Don't mind HoaS...he's just a talking head

damo · 2017-05-28 15:41:14

soocki wrote:

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A long time Arch/Openbox user decided to look for something new and exciting and BANG! (so to speak) BunlenLABS!...

I guess you will explode completely then, when you discover the ArchLabs version on these forums ]:D

DeepDayze · 2017-05-28 15:59:13

damo wrote:

soocki wrote:
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A long time Arch/Openbox user decided to look for something new and exciting and BANG! (so to speak) BunlenLABS!...
I guess you will explode completely then, when you discover the ArchLabs version on these forums ]:D

BOOM!

Sector11 · 2017-05-28 16:41:20

soocki wrote:

Why has nobody told me about BunsenLABS/#! before?!

Ummmmmmmmmm because you didn't ask maybe?

And I think this part fits:

Or perhaps where have I been?

We left bread crumbs all over the the halls of the #! forum pointing to ... well ... here, so that must be it - where have you been? O:)

But now that you're here. Huge Welcome!

soocki · 2017-05-28 17:02:36

DeepDayze wrote:

damo wrote:
soocki wrote:
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A long time Arch/Openbox user decided to look for something new and exciting and BANG! (so to speak) BunlenLABS!...
I guess you will explode completely then, when you discover the ArchLabs version on these forums ]:D
BOOM!

KABOOM! It just doesn't stop getting better

BLizgreat! wrote:

Hello soocki, welcome to the forums

DeepDayze wrote:

Welcome Soocki

Sector11 wrote:

But now that you're here. Huge Welcome!

ty ty ty

Sector11 wrote:

(..) where have you been? O:)

Indeed took me a while, was lost but now I finally found you 8)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

We're trying to keep the clientele exclusive 8o

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-28 17:11:21

^ I'm sorry soocki, I meant that comment as a joke (hence the monkey face), no offence was intended at all.

soocki · 2017-05-28 17:18:27

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ no offence was intended at all.

I know that mate, it's cool I got it, my reply was meant as a joke too (perhaps not a very good one but it's sort of hard to communicate through emoticons or whatever the hell these are called).

No offence taken man <thumbs-up>

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soocki · 2017-05-28 18:00:16

damo wrote:

soocki wrote:
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A long time Arch/Openbox user decided to look for something new and exciting and BANG! (so to speak) BunlenLABS!...
I guess you will explode completely then, when you discover the ArchLabs version on these forums ]:D

It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. After my minimal Arch setup I the ArchLABS almost feels bloated. I will tweak it to my needs, make it mine. Anyway, thanks for mentioning it, so used to Arch the transition was not going well.

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Sector11 · 2017-05-28 20:09:13

Well, guess that's it, walks in the front door - says "Hi", got welcomed - found ARCHLabs and walked out the back door.

HEY SOOCKI, YA'ALL COME BACK-N-VISIT NOW-N-AGAIN, YA'HEAR!
{hope he heard me}

DeepDayze · 2017-05-29 01:21:41

Hope Soocki didn't get scared off

Sector11 · 2017-05-29 01:25:56

No, I do believe he's configuring his ARCHLabs system right now

ARCHLabs is kinda a kissing cousin to BunsenLabs like ARCHBang was to #!.

johnraff · 2017-05-29 02:02:36

Sector11 wrote:

HEY SOOCKI, YA'ALL COME BACK-N-VISIT NOW-N-AGAIN, YA'HEAR!

+1

soocki · 2017-05-29 10:20:17

Sector11 wrote:

Well, guess that's it, walks in the front door - says "Hi", got welcomed - found ARCHLabs and walked out the back door.
HEY SOOCKI, YA'ALL COME BACK-N-VISIT NOW-N-AGAIN, YA'HEAR!
{hope he heard me}

Still here

I actually want to stay, I fell in love with BunsenLABS right from the start when I first booted into the live cd. Love from the first sight. I actually find it tiny bit more suitable to my needs compared to ArchLABS since I'm a bit of minimalist myself.

Anyway, that takes me nicely to my point. Ekhm, ekhm <clears_throat> there's a tiny-bit of a problem I encountered while trying out the Debian-based BunsenLABS. Compared to my old setup (pure Arch + openbox + qupzilla + st/tmux + xfe) or even ArchLABS the fan in my lenovoThinkpadT440p comes on quite a lot more often. Now, saying that we need to keep in mind that I am talking a minimalistic setup with no power-hungry processes, when system is idling or performing 'relaxed' everyday tasks.

The CPU 'driver' is intel_pstate and the scalling governor is powersave. According to the source this driver cannot be directly controlled by the user, hence the use of thermald. The CPU is not 'turbo-enabled' so it's not relevant.

So I tried a few things, I followed the guide but it took me nowhere to be honest, I am not even sure if it's relevant since the thermald, mentioned before should take care of all this business.

So, I have activated the thermald service, even modified the service unit to act as exclusive thermal controller by adding the

--exclusive-control

parameter since I thought that would eradicate the problem but it didn't. Thermald is supposed to take measures against overheating of platforms, I am using it on my Arch baby all the time, and I have to say it is very effective, or perhaps it just comes down to the fact the OS is so efficient and the setup is minimal, never tried to turn it off actually but that's not the point.

The point is that when performing day-to-day tasks on my old setup the fan rarely comes on, heck I can watch a small-to-medium size video online and even than it might not come on! It is awesome and as you might have realised by now pretty important to me

Observing the output of htop (I'm not aware of any other way of investigating the issue) in relation to CPU it seems that the X system is responsible for constant spikes of increased CPU usage, extremely short but constant. Compared to the htop output on my old system, it's not the case, that's why I mention this. This information might or might not be helpful, my guess is, it probably it somehow relevant but what to do with this knowledge I don't know. Anyway that should not be an issue in the first place, the thermald daemon should take care of that.

Sorry for the lenghty post I just have this urge to cry out loud every once in a while 8.( I know this is probably not an obvious and easy fix so I do not actually expect anyone to be able to assist me on this one, that's why I didn't want to bother anyone, perhaps I am wrong. Anyway thanks for listening, feel much better now

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-29 12:22:14

^ Don't try to mess around with the CPU governing, Intel knows better than us

Have you tried powertop?

It's very good for analysing consumption and can be used as a power-saving tool:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1920

There is also TLP:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1920

And you could always try a newer kernel, perhaps the temperature control is better there:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1257

Maybe the fan control is faulty?

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/thinkfan

Finally, BunsenLabs can be stripped down further from the stock system; for example I swap NetworkManager for /etc/network/interfaces, enable a console-based login so I can strip out LightDM, remove gvfs completely, swap terminator for st and bash for mksh and probably a few other things I can't remember right now so there's plenty that can be done to lighten the load on your machine.

EDIT: PulseAudio must die! 8o

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soocki · 2017-05-29 15:06:30

Yes all these are very valid points and I will follow your advice. I love the elegance of BunsenLABS and would love to make the transition happen.

What confuses me is that ArchLABS seems to behave much like my old system does, and I would imagine it is similar setup to BL, packed with 'features' (display manager and other 'improvements' etc. etc.). The trouble with Arch LABS is it lacks Bunsen elegance and it feels bloated (my personal opinion, don't eat me, huge Arch fan myself).

It's not that my system lacks resources, it has plenty, but for whatever reason the thermald functionality does not seems to kick in properly, at least that is my understanding of it. As much as I love BL for now I am not ready to accept compromise when it comes to the sound of that bloody fan in complete silence when I'm working away.

I'll try those tweaks and see if it improves, appreciate it.

Ps. I love the sound of silence and the way I use my laptop I only hear the fan kicking in when I do the system update or perhaps install new packages. I watch movies on htpc (RPi) and when I listen to nts.live the fan does not come on, ever.

Ps2. Another lenghty post it seems.

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Sector11 · 2017-05-29 17:04:08

soocki wrote:

Sector11 wrote:
Well, guess that's it, walks in the front door - says "Hi", got welcomed - found ARCHLabs and walked out the back door.
HEY SOOCKI, YA'ALL COME BACK-N-VISIT NOW-N-AGAIN, YA'HEAR!
{hope he heard me}
Still here
I actually want to stay, I fell in love with BunsenLABS right from the start when I first booted into the live cd. Love from the first sight. I actually find it tiny bit more suitable to my needs compared to ArchLABS since I'm a bit of minimalist myself.

Good, you fit the "exclusive clientele list" parameters HoaS was talking about

And I see you're in good hands with HoaS as well. He's an ARCH/BL/BDS user so he'll have some rock solid advice for you.

Ps2. Another lenghty post it seems.

Ha .. wait till you see some of mine.

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