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BLizgreat! · 2016-12-22 17:28:46

^Nothing wrong w that, if somebody likes tech guessing they could spend the rest of their lives dorking w gnu/Nix-etc and never run out of stuff to dork with.

Had seen Sabotage while investigating Alpine, nother that uses musl, atm about all I know about it but thanks for and will check out the link.

Breaking babble Nix news flash...
Other distros that use musl, bifrost, morpheus and rlsd2. Outside of that know zero else about them. We need to ask Hoas, he probably does.
Paging Dr. Head on a stick. We got a code blue.

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martix · 2016-12-22 20:33:09

@jdonaghy The Brave browser? I used it before, even liked it (one of the best logo I've ever seen imo).

In the end just could not like the idea to let the browser company decide which ad will be shown on the page. I'm still hoping that I will find a neat tuto for using the Eloston browser on Debian What I found was somehow just too confusing...

BLizgreat! · 2016-12-24 23:33:48

Of course more musl distros in the wild. Void linux apparently offers choice of libc, musl or glibc.

Downloading a few of their iso's to dork with. Seen a lot of good things said about the distro, so may as well check it out.

Been wanting to mess with runit too, alternative init that looks interesting and Void uses it default.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-12-24 23:46:46

Ooops, missed this somehow:

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

Other distros that use musl, bifrost, morpheus and rlsd2. Outside of that know zero else about them. We need to ask Hoas, he probably does.

Well, I had a stali system running a while back and those distributions all use the same suckless base.

The only problem with them for me was their source-based nature -- a custom kernel configuration must be supplied by the user and I don't trust my kernel configuration skills enough to run a proper system off them

Anyway, all this talk has made me hop again and I have put Alpine on my (UEFI) Haswell laptop:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 290#p42290

]:D

BLizgreat! · 2016-12-25 00:01:00

Appreciate the info Hoas,

Lately been having the urge 2 get off the beaten path but glad for the heads up not wanting to have to relearn the wheel and kitchen sink either.

So stuffs thats different, cool, anything thats too big a pita will pass on. Youll no doubt explore kernel land dude. Havent done much there either.

Compiled a few for the experience and geek-creds . Can always start with a config from a distro you trust, will find the .config for the kernels in /boot

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-12-25 00:09:38

@graysky from the Arch forums posted this rather lovely script (which was improved by @falconindy, an Arch developer):

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=120714

This will generate a list of the required kernel modules for your hardware

There is also Modprobed-db:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Modprobed-db

Not sure if those will work with Debian though

BLizgreat! · 2016-12-25 06:45:26

^Am sure there's very similar + who knows how many other ways to go about it in anything Nix. Not surprised and didn't doubt you'd already made several forays into kernel-ville Hoas.

Am pretty much same way, not overly confident I've learned enough about the topic to really get jiggy with it. Think as long as someone starts w a sane configuration file as a basis aren't going to run into much trouble.

Consensus I've always seen on it is that for most desktop users the the gains are negligible. Can't say for sure one way or other. Saw some minimal benefits during kernel dorking ( I believe.)

Jmo but in some specialized usecases and production could likely prove well worth building up the skills. Always seems to be no shortage of existing projs in whichever niche to learn and derive shortcuts from.

That of course is going to apply to kernel config options too.

photonucleon · 2016-12-28 00:01:41

RIP, Princess

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-12-29 23:21:45

Hmmm, been busy in the shell tonight:

TheLab: ~ $ ps-mem | grep tmux
106.3 MiB + 748.0 KiB = 107.1 MiB       tmux (2)

EDIT: from the scrollback buffer line count:

[0/65008]

Maybe I should set a lower limit

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BLizgreat! · 2016-12-30 06:31:15

Currently back on the custom compile kernels kick. Learning much junk about kernel-fu.

Interesting Nix kernel factoid, the Linux kernel consists of over 14 million lines of code. Yowza! Wonder if Linus Torvalds ever envisioned things going so far?

One interesting kernel infobit.
When you download the source for one of the kernels on kernel.org and extract that puppy. There's a lot of good info to be had within various files in the directory.
A bunch for anyone with an interest in the topic. One such being found in ie. linux-4.9.0/arch/x86 (cause this system is x86_64 o course.)
But you'll find a file named kconfig there. Syntax isn't hard to follow in it. Provides some useful info for folks.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-12-30 13:56:37

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

the Linux kernel consists of over 14 million lines of code

And people complain about systemd being too complicated...

ratcheer · 2016-12-30 14:47:42

Yesterday, I tried for much of the day to establish a dual stack LAN using a Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel to an Apple Airport Extreme router. I think (but I can't be sure) I successfully established the tunnel, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get an IPv6 address on my Arch Linux host. My best attempt was to run systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved, but that didn't work, either.

To make matters worse, my son complained that his XBox online games gagged due to DNS problems. I undid the DNS assignments for IPv6 on the tunnel, but he said that made it worse. I completely de-configured the tunnel, and he said the problems were resolved.

I'd like to continue trying to figure all this out, but it seems the whole thing might be incompatible with his game consoles. It looks like I'm SOL.

Tim

BLizgreat! · 2016-12-30 15:37:11

And people complain about systemd being too complicated...

Think that has more to do with it being common knowledge that the devil himself wrote 90% of the code for systemd.

Last time saw any stats, systemd weighed in at 40+ thousand lines of code. Can't remember exact number and no idea what it is now.

I like systemd but do like diversity and choices too. Glad people are still working on alternatives. Mentioned runit, apparently default init in Void Linux. Supposed to be tiny, as in only 600 lines of code.

Stumbled across another not long ago, sinit (from the Suckless tools peeps.) Don't know much about either though. Installed VOID xfce version in a vm and played around with it for a few mins. Seemed to be working fine.

Yet another imo interesting open source infobit. Supposedly the Gcc (Gnu c-compiler) weighs in at over 12 million lines of code itself.

Makes one contemplate, which came 1st the Gnu or the Linux? Gnu did dammit! GNUUUUUUUUU!

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-12-30 17:59:35

ratcheer wrote:

I created a very simple .network file that just gave the interface name to match and DHCP=ipv6. Like I said, it didn't work. It also killed my ipv4 connection.

I use this to assign both IPv4 and IPv6:

DHCP=yes

Feel free to open a thread in Help & Support (Other)

Sector11 · 2016-12-30 19:01:54

Remember the days of:

Requires Windows 98 or better!

or

Requires Windows Vista or better!

and some would respond with: So I installed Linux!

Well it had to happen: I just saw:

For Linux x64, Ubuntu or later.
Download Brave for another platform

{shaking head here} WTH is "Ubuntu or later"?
Vbuntu, Wbuntu, Xbuntu, Ybuntu, or Zbuntu ??

Oh I know Linux x128 ... no; that's not right!

So I click on "Download Brave for another platform"

And there it is:

Brave 0.12.dev for Linux
Brave for Linux comes in two versions:
64 bit .deb for Debian/Ubuntu and 64 bit .rpm for Fedora/openSUSE.
Please download the correct installer for your OS.
View Linux FAQ

So it has me wondering ...
· Is Debian a derivative of Ubuntu or is Ubuntu a derivative of Debian?
· Is Fedora a derivative of openSUSE or is openSUSE a derivative of Fedora?
_____________
Don't bother answering: I know the answer.

U grabs the .debs from D and modifies them for U.
Therefore D is Debian; U is Ubuntu and never the twain shall meet!

I'm not going to get into the RedHat/Fedora vs openSUSE things though.

johnraff · 2016-12-31 08:52:14

ratcheer wrote:

I won't open a support thread here, because I'm not on BunsenLabs. That wouldn't be fair.

It's no problem at all - we get plenty of questions about non-Bunsen stuff - as long as you use "Help & Support (Other)" as HoaS said.

Sector11 · 2016-12-31 19:10:01

HEY! Already 2017 where you are John - Happy New Year

Last day of the year here is a killer, didn't grab the temp at 09:23 but it was 30°C even.

st = Feels Like or Heat Index - depending on where you are.

g33zr · 2016-12-31 19:19:44

^ 30ᵒC and you're not at the beach? Here in Little Rhodey it's a balmy 3ᵒC. 8o

damo · 2016-12-31 19:57:17

8ᵒC, overcast, dark, log fire, plenty of wine. Roll on New Year

Sector11 · 2016-12-31 20:42:06

Now that's how I like a New Year's Eve. Not so much a log fire - I've never had that but overcast, dark and wine I know!!!

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