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#21 2015-10-14 20:01:37

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Re: Distro Hopping

@hhh:  Aside from the *buntu base and different colors out-of-the-box, how does LXLE 14.04 compare to LXDE 8.2?


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#22 2015-10-14 21:33:14

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Re: Distro Hopping

Snap wrote:

It really looks interesting. I don't like to run buntus. My experience with them is that work flawlesly when fresh and go wrong and wronger after every update. I stopped installing them for friends and relatives, but a VM for a while to steal... ermm.. learn won't hurt.

I also learned (cough, cough...) a lot of  neat tricks from Voyager X8. It's in french, but it worths some surfing and diving. There are also buntu versions of it.

http://voyagerlive.org/index.php/live-v … an-jessie/

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'Buntus are very good. Try Xubuntu or Lubuntu and see. Kubuntu is really an eye candy top class. Try the new (still testing) 15.10.
My working distro is Openbox with 15.10 Ubuntu base, built from mini.iso, sort of testing/unstable, but without any trouble.

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#23 2015-10-14 22:27:36

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Tried plenty. Enough for me. Ubuntu is not what it used to be. Maybe in the future it falls back to the good distro it once was, but for now I'll better stay away.

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#24 2015-10-15 00:01:22

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Re: Distro Hopping

Snap wrote:

Really? i didn't remembered those recommends in Debian. They're different in every distro. I still don't know why packagers insist in adding usually weird (and different) recommended packages for Fluxbox (ie, in pclos only a clipboard is recommended... cannot remember the name... or is it a dependency?), Fluxbox itself doesn't need anything specific on top of a base system, Like Openbox, but...

Anyway, what S11 said.

(BTW, feh is not weird. It always makes its way in all my systems whatever the WM or DE wink )

I love feh. Super lightweight and doubles as both a wallpaper setter and image viewer. Plus, you can hook it into your file manager with a custom action and use it all gui like.

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#25 2015-10-15 00:43:02

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Re: Distro Hopping

pvsage wrote:

@hhh:  Aside from the *buntu base and different colors out-of-the-box, how does LXLE 14.04 compare to LXDE 8.2?

It's prettier than jessie LXDE, that's for sure. I haven't tried the Lubuntu that this is based on, but this seems well optimized. They have the sweetest Plymouth theme evah. I love the default panel/conky/wallpaper. RAM OOTB is about the same as Hydrogen RC1. Super cool wallpaper switcher/randomizer in the panel. They have a great default sound scheme, try and lower your volume before you do your first boot! A nice selection of default themes, and a crap-ton of pre-installed apps (the ISO is 1.4G). Browse via SeaMonkey. Same pulseaudio problem for me as in BL (unmute issue). There are other features that I haven't looked into, but it's definitely a good Openbox spin.


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#26 2015-10-15 08:13:05

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I thought development of LXDE was stopped, just maintained, and the future being LXQT being developed along with Razorqt devs. It is not in Debian repos yet but soon, and can be downloaded from the siduction LXQT repros. siduction also do a very basic install even without X called appropriately enough NOX.

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#27 2015-10-15 14:58:50

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titan wrote:

I thought development of LXDE was stopped, just maintained, and the future being LXQT being developed along with Razorqt devs.

No, that was the Qt port of LXDE that merged with Razor-Qt to become LXQt...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE#Qt_port
http://lxde.org/ (<-their homepage looks broken ATM)
http://lxqt.org/


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#28 2015-10-15 20:38:42

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I've run LXLE off and on for quite a while. It's always been stable and snappy.

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#29 2015-10-16 08:25:06

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Re: Distro Hopping

hhh wrote:
titan wrote:

I thought development of LXDE was stopped, just maintained, and the future being LXQT being developed along with Razorqt devs.

No, that was the Qt port of LXDE that merged with Razor-Qt to become LXQt...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE#Qt_port
http://lxde.org/ (<-their homepage looks broken ATM)
http://lxqt.org/

I thought I had read on the Lxde or Lxqt blog by Hong Yen Jee that Lxqt was the future, unfortunately both sites seem to be having problems with the blog sections at the moment. The about section on Lxqt says

LXQt is the Qt port and the upcoming version of LXDE, the Lightweight Desktop Environment. It is the product of the merge between the LXDE-Qt and the Razor-qt projects: A lightweight, modular, blazing-fast and user-friendly desktop environment.

That seems unambiguous to me but time will tell.

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#30 2015-10-16 09:12:03

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I love feh. Super lightweight and doubles as both a wallpaper setter and image viewer. Plus, you can hook it into your file manager with a custom action and use it all gui like.

Yup, a couple of scripts for browsing and slideshows and that's it. AFAIK it doesn't play animated gifs, or never found a way to do it. That's why Mirage is usually in too. Otherwise I would only use feh.

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#31 2015-10-16 09:24:56

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Regarding LXDE I will miss its simplicity and modularity. LXQt is way closer to Razor than what LXDE was (well, still is). It's more "desktop-like" than LXDE, where you can choose to use as many or as little bits of it as you want. LXDE is a kind of crossover. Closer to a WM with some goodies and tools to deal with your session than a tipycal DE. LXQt is more "get the whole thing and live with it". In certain way we still have xfce for the modules/bits, but it's not as slim and simple as LXDE.

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#32 2015-10-16 11:11:31

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Snap wrote:

Regarding LXDE I will miss its simplicity and modularity. LXQt is way closer to Razor than what LXDE was (well, still is). It's more "desktop-like" than LXDE, where you can choose to use as many or as little bits of it as you want.

Isn't  Lxqt more or less a port of Lxde to the Qt libs. With it's structure being similar ie modular.Most of the components in the repro seem to have a Qt version of the Gtk module. It doesn't look much different to me but I am just a simple user. Hong Yen Jee had said he ported PCmanfm to Qt in less than a day and if starting from scratch today would choose Qt over Gtk.

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#33 2015-10-17 11:01:34

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I find them quite different. LXDE uses about the same RAM of the WM standalone, usually OpenBox. It only adds some useful tools to manage your session and allows you to use the native WM menu if you want that. IIRC, Razor and LXQt double the RAM usage as an start and actually feels like a DE.

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#34 2015-10-17 14:57:15

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Re: Distro Hopping

titan wrote:

I thought I had read on the Lxde or Lxqt blog by Hong Yen Jee that Lxqt was the future, unfortunately both sites seem to be having problems with the blog sections at the moment.

I think you're right, I was misreading that portion of the Wikipedia entry for LXDE.


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#35 2015-10-17 16:31:15

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titan wrote:

...
http://lxde.org/ (<-their homepage looks broken ATM)
...

I thought I had read on the Lxde or Lxqt blog by Hong Yen Jee that Lxqt was the future, unfortunately both sites seem to be having problems with the blog sections at the moment. ...

See here for problems with lxde.org: http://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/34474876/ or just browse through http://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/lxde-list/


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#36 2015-10-18 22:56:34

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Yeah, blogs of lxde lxqt have been down for  awhile.  Probably the decision most relevant to these forums is the planned lxqt transition at some point down the road away from openbox to xfce's xfwm4 window manager.  lxqt does want to become wayland capable and from what I hear that will not be a strentgh of openbox.   

They have been hoping for another incremental point release around Nov 01, but it might be a little later.  All in all, they might still have their mute blog at source forge, but I am so impressed at how well they weathered the gc++ transition and the importation of selected tier 1 kf5  components (tier one is coded solely in QT5) from kde. 

of course lurking on irc at freenode #lxde is a way to keep up with lxqt development.  the OFTC #lxde is geared towards assistance with lxde.

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#37 2015-10-19 01:52:30

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paxmark1 wrote:

...  Probably the decision most relevant to these forums is the planned lxqt transition at some point down the road away from openbox to xfce's xfwm4 window manager. ...

Any source available for ^^^?


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#38 2015-10-19 08:26:11

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Re: Distro Hopping

vasa1 wrote:
paxmark1 wrote:

...  Probably the decision most relevant to these forums is the planned lxqt transition at some point down the road away from openbox to xfce's xfwm4 window manager. ...

Any source available for ^^^?

There is some conversation about it here
https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues/645

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#39 2015-10-19 09:18:23

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titan wrote:

...
There is some conversation about it here
https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues/645

Thanks for that, but there's not really much there to warrant "is the planned lxqt transition at some point down the road away from openbox to xfce's xfwm4 window manager. ..."

My bet will be Kwin or whatever it's called at the time.


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#40 2015-10-19 11:34:01

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And, as far as LXQt goes, I feel KWin will be a more natural fit assuming Openbox can no longer be considered. I also think it's being more actively developed than xfwm4. The KWin devs are aware of its dependencies and seem to be working on reducing them to make KWin more attractive as an alternate window manager.

Here's a link to a 2013 blog post from a senior KDE dev: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2 … ironments/

BTW, what'll happen to conky then? wink


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